I pose this question to you...

[Lord Shmeckie]

Would Feral Chaos still be broken as balls if he didn't have Via Dolorosa?

Sure, he's got high priority attacks, but they all seem to have some kind of weakness to them. And his other HP attacks seem difficult to land outside of an Assist combo.

So what do you think? Is it Via Dolorosa, or the man in general?

Discuss.

[Major Tom]

I don't think he would be broken, but he would still be a little OP.

Deus Iratus is like Nightglow, you can camp it all day e'ery day.

That being said, without VD, Golbez would be able to Nightglow camp FC all day.

E'ery day.

[Zero_Ruzai]

Well the main thing about him that I've been noticing is Via Dolorosa. In fact, if people have a complaint about FC, 90% of the time it's Via Dolorosa. Brute Force is another complaint, since it's got ridiculously high priority, amazingly fast start up time, and has a helluva lot of distance. Couple that with the ability to deal freakishly high damage and automatic wall rush to the ground, and you've got yourself a helluva move.

Honestly, I tried playing as Feral Chaos awhile back unequipping Via Dolorosa and Brute Force, and it actually makes him a bit more stable. He becomes punishable, and really a lot less OP. It got to the point to where even a few buddies didn't mind me using him because (since they didn't have him unlocked at the time) they said he still looked badass, and they could actually deal damage.

So you're right Schmekie, the attacks are hard to land outside of assist combos, much like most of the HP attacks in the game. So I believe that puts him on even ground. The only thing I think may put him higher than other characters is his high priority on extremely fast moves. But, these moves generally have long cool down (eh... kinda) so... he's actually a contender at this point, even if the attacks are still high priority. Which, when thinking realistically, should be expected given his height and handicaps.

Maybe we should try him a couple rounds without these 2 moves and see where we wind up from there.

[TKG09]

he'd still have brute force

[Lord Shmeckie]

I wonder about Brute Force, though. It really only has good horizontal range, and if you dodge it, it's fairly punishable.

[Zero_Ruzai]

he'd still have brute force

Hence why I said no Via Dolorosa OR Brute Force.


The thing about Brute Force is, although punishable, is hard to see coming. And if you dodge to try to get away, and he doesn't attack, well, your dodge is about to be punished. So it's hard to get around that.

[TKG09]

Hence why I said no Via Dolorosa OR Brute Force.


The thing about Brute Force is, although punishable, is hard to see coming. And if you dodge to try to get away, and he doesn't attack, well, your dodge is about to be punished. So it's hard to get around that.

But then FC becomes so shitty he wouldnt be viable. So there's no point.

[Zero_Ruzai]

Try it, he's actually still not bad. It's like going out with Exdeath for the first time and saying "omg, he's too slow, he's a piece of crap." FC is still capable of assist combos, still capable of racking up a lot of damage, he just doesn't have Godspeed+longrange/ridiculously accurate moves now.

[TKG09]

No. FC becomes crap. I have already tried all of this online, it doesn't work.

[Zero_Ruzai]

So when he's OP he's FC, and is banned.
Whenever you remove these moves he's Feral Crap, and can't be viable in play?
There was a discussion in IRC at one point that was held that he was still freakishly strong without these two moves.
Like with Jecht assist, you could easily setup for a quick Quo Vadis. Whenever they pull of an HP move, you can counter with assist dodge, and immediately go into Raid (or whatever the aerial BRV move that sends him downwards) which will connect for plenty of damage most of the time. It still leaves him with a powerful ground game with BRV moves, and an aerial game that's still up there with others.
Idk, since I don't bother taking the time to use him online, I'll just take your word for it.

[Major Tom]

Ignore TKG, he can't play a character he can't rape other people with.

ISN'T THAT RIGHT TKG? LOVE YOU.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KilUtGl3awc

[Lord Shmeckie]

I think we should test these things online. Take FC for a spin without Via Dolorosa, without VD or Brute Force, take some replays, post 'em here, see how it looks.

Who's up for some SCIENCE?

[Zero_Ruzai]

As soon as my PS3 comes back in in 2 weeks, I'm game >.<

[Dominion Wolf]

I know this is a bit of an old topic, but i did a run with Feral Chaos without Via Dolorosa or Brute Force. He's quite a bit more fair, but i was using mostly blockable bravery attacks. Feral Chaos can be fair, while still being ruthless in the right hands.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsoRK-3z85c

[Seraph Sephiroth]

If he's available people are going to abuse him. He was never meant to be fair, he was a special boss character. No one is going to agree to take off their characters best moves then use him again any half decent player. Not that any serious player would main feral chaos anyway

[Cloud of Darkness]

If he's available people are going to abuse him. He was never meant to be fair, he was a special boss character. No one is going to agree to take off their characters best moves then use him again any half decent player. Not that any serious player would main feral chaos anyway

I tried it, and it is boring. FC with his good abilities is boring. I don't see the point in using him, period.

I agree with Seraph, no point in nerfing a character meant to be OP.

Use someone justifiably OP, like Seph / Ultimecia / Exdeath ~

[Archer]

I never actually played against FC but from that video... every one of his attacks seem to have some form of Good Start up time, Wall rush on ending hit (anywhere from map), slight delay at end. That will probably FC a pretty solid offense as long as he doesn't whiff attacks and gets countered (or blocked; but I'm not sure on the priority of the attacks).

I think the character is just generally High Tier even if you take out whichever move that make him god tier broken.

[Seraph Sephiroth]

That.. doesn't make sense at all. Face a feral chaos in a small stage and see what happens via dolorosa>kuja assist>repeat. Most leet assist combo ever.