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LXD92
12-21-2011, 07:03 PM
Extended Video Guide Version


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xmFPuMTq-I&feature=g-all-lik&context=G22ed8dbFAAAAAAAAAAA
Rep if you like this please, it show gratitude and then I know its appreciated and will probably make an update faster.
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Information:
-Zidane is a HP chipper so he will benefit from Extreme AST/EX depletation. Side by Side and High Base Brave Setup (hbbs).
-1. Zidane focus on;
--1. Use of his fast dash speed, jumps and quick attacks to tear down opponents hit points.
--2. Punish moves.
--3. Pokes, damn what Zidane need to poke in some matchups.
-2. Mix-up your approch, play a good mindgame and trick the opponent.
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Attacks:
Will try to explain Zidanes attacks more in-depth

Swift Attack (Midair, link to Meo Twister)
-Zidanes best poke and BRV to HP move.
-1. Swift Attack is a fast and good move, Can dodge punish the opponent and is Zidanes "bread an butter" move.
-2. Swift Attack can be a little glitchy if opponent Assist Charge out from it under the second hit;
--1. It will do Meo Twister forward without the opponent.
--2. Meo Twister will track after the opponent and catch them anyways.
-3. Swift Attack can be blocked if opponent lvl1 assist charge out if it after the first part and then dash down/up for a block on the long second part of Swift Attack, this however need some timing or the opponent will get hit.

Tempest (Midair, link to Meo Twister)
-Best tool for catching opponents under you.
--1. Tempest has a good vertical tracking downwards.
--2. Can be easily blocked by opponent if they know its coming.

Meo Twister (HP)
-Zidanes HP link move. Not much to say what it does, but more of what it can do.

Additional info about, Meo Twister;
-Meo Twister can be a bit "glitchy"
--1. If opponent Assist Charge out from it to early, it will track the opponent as they go up or down.
--2. If opponent get into a banish trap under Swift Attack, Meo Twister will track after the opponent if there is not any obstacles in the way.
-Of course you most press square for it to have a chance to happen.

Scoop Art (Midair)
-Great for long range pokes, it can be punished so use it with care.
--1. If the distance and angle is right, you can combo this with a Dash to Swift Attack. Also opponents landing lag helps alot.
--2. Can also be done in air, its alot harder but possible. Need to be under the opponent and in the right distance and angle.
--3. Sometimes you can combo this with dodge forward to Tempest, still need to be under the opponent.

Vortex (Midair)
-Great for attacking from below, it can be easy to block but thats why you need to use it smart.
--1. Good punishing move against some attacks in the game.

Free Energy (HP, Midair)
-Dont have the range as it used too in DFF but is still as fast.
--1. Im very sad it lost its range from DFF, but is still usefull for mixups

Grand Lethal (HP, Midair)
-Good tracking, range and speed. Slow startup that can be punished.
--1. Dont use this to much as it can be easily punished when opponent can see it coming.
--2. its tracking is weird and can do a complete turn around if opponent dodge behind you.
-Best when its sparingly used so the opponent get a "oh shit" moment when you throw it out.

Shift Break (HP, Midair)
-Probably one of Zidanes best HP moves when used correctly.
--1. Good range
--2. Can catch opponents with the thunder part.
--3. If you learn the max distance you can make the thunder part spawn on the opponent.
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Assists:
-I have been playing Zidane since 2009 and his still my most trusted character to play as. I have tested most assists that i think would work decent for Zidane and i shall write a bit on some assists that work for him.

-Sephiroth: The first assist that most people used for Zidane, one of the "best" assist in the start of DDFF and still work very good, easy to assist combo of meo twister and decent at punishing
moves.

-Tidus: A favourite of mine. Quick to punish opponent and easy to assist combo with.

-Jecht: A suprise assist, but Jecht work pretty good if you gonna fight Golbez in small stages as his ground move can punish almost all his moves and smash Bez to the ceiling.

-Aerith: Fantastic on Medium/Small stages, not good at punshing but the other player will fear Zids Aerith Combo as it can easily do 4k+ with a High Base BRV Setup (HBBS). The trick is not to call Aerith to early when you do Shift Break b/c otherwise the opponent will get un-froozen by seal evil and can dodge away, wait just to call her before SBs HP part will hit the opponent.

The combo: SA > Meo > Aerith > SB > Aerith > SB > SA > Meo

-Onion Knight: These days tournaments tend to have assist restrictions or assist bans, thats why OK is a good choice as an assist for Zidane under those circumstances. you can do a triple HP combo with OK. The bad thing is that in most cases you need the wallrush to connect attacks after OK assist.
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Builds:

-High Base BRV Setup
http://i50.tinypic.com/s6umaq.png

This build focus on a high base brv for damage b/c Zid attacks is weak so to deal as much damage as possible you go for a high base brv and fast brv recovery.
This build have a base brv on ~1450, it also use Side by Side to easier get AST for AST combos, combine this with Aerith combo on a small stage and you can make some huge damage.
As mentioned above a fast brv recovery is necessary.
Together as One is a personal preferance as I like to have close to an AST bar at the start and close to get an AST combo early on.

Note: Will need Best Dresser and equipment Abilitys

+High base brv
+Good/Fast BRV recovery
+Easy AST Combos

-No use off anything that have to do with EX
-Low Defence (181)


-High Base BRV/Extreme AST/EX depeletation
http://i48.tinypic.com/wv1rsx.png

This build use high base brv and a high ast/ex dep, the max booster is ~8x so you can chip off a good amount on the opponents AST/EX Gauge. Its not using SBS but you can put it in if you want and switch after 30sec with empty ex gauge and remove opp<50% hp for SBS.
But I wanted a build that could get EX and pressure opponents EX gauge so i come up with this.

Note: Will need Best Dresser and equipment abilitys

+High Base BRV
+Good/Fast BRV recovery
+High AST/EX Depletation
+Can use EX

-No Side by Side
-Low Defence (181)

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Videos
-Extended version of the aerith combo tjingojingo showed us


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67-JPikhv9Y&list=UUcegKJW6gMSwAtPs6YObkqw&index=1&feature=plcp

-Aerith Combo with no wall/ceiling


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQXrrdcVpRQ&amp;feature=g-upl

-Shift break spacing


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcKnzikL6vE&amp;feature=plcp

Will add more, little at the time

LuckySeven
12-21-2011, 07:30 PM
Nice guide. Lol I like how you said booster 8 is probably the only thing he needs to have on the ground XD

kewldude475
12-21-2011, 08:14 PM
Isn't the point of Tidal Flame to get the opponent off the ground?

LXD92
12-21-2011, 08:35 PM
Isn't the point of Tidal Flame to get the opponent off the ground?

Yes, but sometimes its not enough with only Tidel Flame, so supporting Tidel Flame with Booster 8 for either hit with booster 8 or force them of the ground. Also sometimes Booster 8 could be supported by Tidel Flame. And thanks for pointing it out, should probably do a more detailed text but feedback is necessery and i want to see how people respond to it :)

kewldude475
12-21-2011, 09:43 PM
I wasn't saying that you were incorrect in saying that, it's just that /even as a non-Zidane player/ that that was one of it's uses due to it's increased priority and slower tracking.

LXD92
12-21-2011, 10:08 PM
I wasn't saying that you were incorrect in saying that, it's just that /even as a non-Zidane player/ that that was one of it's uses due to it's increased priority and slower tracking.

Well, problem is to "make them leave the ground" with only Tidel Flame they can space it out or if they play Jecht, JB it back at you but it will get harder for them if you run around and wait for a opening for Booster 8, ofc they can out space this tactic but still it have it uses versus some players.

Balguna
12-22-2011, 07:52 AM
You might want to note that Tidal Flame is reflectable by Melee High attacks like Lord of Arms or Nightglow.

I really like that you mention OK, since he's my preferred Assist for Zidane. Just a pointer that Grand Lethal can be more useful to end a combo due to its WR capability, and it's something that you can't really do with Kuja and Sephiroth. You can also use Storm Impulse/Vortex -> Wall Rush -> Assist -> FDC -> Free Energy -> Dash -> SA/SI/GL.

Lastly, you may want to talk about his EX Mode- it's not used very often, but I suppose dodge resetting has its benefits. Similiarly for EX Revenge.

LXD92
12-22-2011, 08:30 AM
You might want to note that Tidal Flame is reflectable by Melee High attacks like Lord of Arms or Nightglow.

I really like that you mention OK, since he's my preferred Assist for Zidane. Just a pointer that Grand Lethal can be more useful to end a combo due to its WR capability, and it's something that you can't really do with Kuja and Sephiroth. You can also use Storm Impulse/Vortex -> Wall Rush -> Assist -> FDC -> Free Energy -> Dash -> SA/SI/GL.

Lastly, you may want to talk about his EX Mode- it's not used very often, but I suppose dodge resetting has its benefits. Similiarly for EX Revenge.

Ye, planing on an update.

so basicly u want me to point other things out with the moves like the one with Tidel Flame being reflectable and his EX Mode huh.

NeroMD
12-22-2011, 10:30 AM
Actually, Zidane has dodge frames in his jumps during EX mode. He can dodge all of Energy Rain's attacks with his jumps.
I don't have a video of this but it happened before.

Edit: I'm not sure wether they removed it or not but it's worth checking out.

LXD92
12-22-2011, 10:53 AM
Actually, Zidane has dodge frames in his jumps during EX mode. He can dodge all of Energy Rain's attacks with his jumps.
I don't have a video of this but it happened before.

Edit: I'm not sure wether they removed it or not but it's worth checking out.

i remmeber it, it was versus Dave.

NeroMD
12-22-2011, 11:33 AM
Damn, You were that long of a subscriber? XD

LXD92
12-22-2011, 12:42 PM
Damn, You were that long of a subscriber? XD

yeeeeeeez :D

Balguna
12-22-2011, 03:58 PM
Actually, Zidane has dodge frames in his jumps during EX mode. He can dodge all of Energy Rain's attacks with his jumps.
I don't have a video of this but it happened before.

Edit: I'm not sure wether they removed it or not but it's worth checking out.

If I remember right those are invincibility frames, not dodge frames- the main difference being they won't activate Brave Boosts on Dodge, similiar to Golbez's jumps.

LXD92
12-23-2011, 03:16 PM
If I remember right those are invincibility frames, not dodge frames- the main difference being they won't activate Brave Boosts on Dodge, similiar to Golbez's jumps.

Yes under "the rising curve" of a jump as ujbhn said

Edit: Extended version is now on the first page

LXD92
06-19-2012, 04:56 PM
A "new" combo for ya guys


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67-JPikhv9Y&amp;feature=g-upl

read description btw

END
06-19-2012, 04:59 PM
tingojingos combo ftw

LXD92
07-05-2012, 11:11 AM
after playin some matches with Djqubi i noticed that Aerith combo dont need a ceiling to work all you need is that Aerith shall bind the opponent after a attack.

all you need is to dodge upwards to place yourself so that you can catch the opponent at the peak after being hit by SB, ive done it a few times.

Dragon Lancet
07-05-2012, 09:24 PM
after playin some matches with Djqubi i noticed that Aerith combo dont need a ceiling to work all you need is that Aerith shall bind the opponent after a attack.

all you need is to dodge upwards to place yourself so that you can catch the opponent at the peak after being hit by SB, ive done it a few times.

Any video of this XP?

LXD92
07-06-2012, 11:46 AM
Any video of this XP?

here you go


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQXrrdcVpRQ&amp;feature=g-upl

Dragon Lancet
07-06-2012, 08:48 PM
here you go


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQXrrdcVpRQ&feature=g-upl

lol so that's how you did it, I manage to do it just using shift break and seal evil together, the dodge upward and use again shift break, but that's more easy to do XP, really helpfull, tnks (:

ºAndrewº
07-06-2012, 09:31 PM
its really interesting,both final fantasy IX characters are very versatile

Koromaigis
07-06-2012, 11:00 PM
here you go


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQXrrdcVpRQ&feature=g-upl
this is interesting I think Ima try that thanks LXD

LXD92
07-23-2012, 03:10 PM
Aerith assist, very good for Zidane after playin around with her for a few weeks. She gives him so many options and help his EX game.

Chase > Aerith combo gives EX Force and a HP hit

Chase > Aerith > Shift Break > Swift attack > Meo at ceiling gives a 2k HP combo + grant you EX force

+ all the older options he had (not counting SBS)


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and for the people that think about neg rep my posts here, i just give out facts that no1 else post for Zid.

Dragon Lancet
07-23-2012, 04:50 PM
I also think that Zidane is quite great with aerith assist, also, when doing meo twister, if you time right your assist, you can call aerith before finishing meo twister and lock the opponent in the air, with out a wall or roof, but requires a lot of practice and timing, still a great assist for him XP

LXD92
07-23-2012, 05:19 PM
I also think that Zidane is quite great with aerith assist, also, when doing meo twister, if you time right your assist, you can call aerith before finishing meo twister and lock the opponent in the air, with out a wall or roof, but requires a lot of practice and timing, still a great assist for him XP

you can do that but, in a online fight were lag becomes a factor i myself would not do it b/c it is such a precis timing to freeze opponent exactly aftar a Meo twister and if you miss you wasted an assist bar.

Dragon Lancet
07-23-2012, 07:00 PM
you can do that but, in a online fight were lag becomes a factor i myself would not do it b/c it is such a precis timing to freeze opponent exactly aftar a Meo twister and if you miss you wasted an assist bar.

Aaaa I forgot to put that XDDD, and you're absolutly right, in online matches, it isn't recommendable XDDD, for the same reason that you already wrote, the lag and waste of an assist bar, hahahaha, but still is quite fun :B, but no t that fun when you miss in a tourney XP

LXD92
07-24-2012, 11:09 AM
So im planning on a update on the video guide, the extended version is 7months old and new things have been learned under that time.

Dont know when it will be finished tho.

Setzer Gabbiani
09-16-2012, 12:43 PM
Good job with your guide, really nice. ;)

LXD92
11-02-2012, 04:00 PM
So ehhhh, by accident i deleted the video guide and now its fucked up, so no update till I decide not being so lazy and do something about it.

Still I add bit by bit under the current one so check it out .p

TheLostSabre
12-24-2012, 12:16 AM
The High Base BRV build sure doesn't leave much room for Precision Evasion unless you give up a HP move (ended up giving up Grand Lethal). :x

LXD92
12-24-2012, 12:17 AM
i got all useful air moves and precision evasion

LXD92
01-27-2013, 12:10 PM
watched GYGO stream and "Extended Aerith Combo" can actully be extended with Battle Ring (obvious) to a 5hit HP combo, happens very rare but possible and it make the ~6k damage extend to ~7.4k HP damage with 2AST gauges and no summon.














​Zid is not broken~

mogstache
01-27-2013, 12:43 PM
This thing is becoming too OP imo, I think it may be a possible future ban :/ (especially if summons like Alexander are allowed)

Stevie
01-27-2013, 12:54 PM
watched GYGO stream and "Extended Aerith Combo" can actully be extended with Battle Ring (obvious) to a 5hit HP combo, happens very rare but possible and it make the ~6k damage extend to ~7.4k HP damage with 2AST gauges and no summon.














​Zid is not broken~

zid not broken but i think people are starting to think the combo is :o........ i seriously think that this could be banned soon 'the combo'

FFxStrife
01-27-2013, 01:12 PM
watched GYGO stream and "Extended Aerith Combo" can actully be extended with Battle Ring (obvious) to a 5hit HP combo, happens very rare but possible and it make the ~6k damage extend to ~7.4k HP damage with 2AST gauges and no summon.

Your avatar, please.

LXD92
01-27-2013, 03:30 PM
This thing is becoming too OP imo, I think it may be a possible future ban :/ (especially if summons like Alexander are allowed)
1. "Becoming" is not the right word to use b/c it have always been possible.

2. Alexander is not much help for Zidane if your not using a high initial base BRV build or a HBBS with low BRV recovery.


zid not broken but i think people are starting to think the combo is :o........ i seriously think that this could be banned soon 'the combo'
Have Ultimecia's KL been banned? Nope.jpg


Your avatar, please.

http://i50.tinypic.com/mj23ia.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/33427uf.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/ym5io.jpg

Its not anything "new" im pointing out with Battle Ring, I know I used it under a few weeks back after I posted the vid for extended aerith combo, but battle ring was useless b/c it give a free ast gauge extremly rare and you are better off with another acc taking up that acc slot, still lol'd when I did get that free ast gauge.

Terrina
01-27-2013, 03:33 PM
watched GYGO stream and "Extended Aerith Combo" can actully be extended with Battle Ring (obvious) to a 5hit HP combo, happens very rare but possible and it make the ~6k damage extend to ~7.4k HP damage with 2AST gauges and no summon.














​Zid is not broken~



zid not broken but i think people are starting to think the combo is :o........ i seriously think that this could be banned soon 'the combo'

Zidane himself isn't broken but this combo is. It more or less has the same properties as an infinite (as in doing too much damage without the opponent having a chance to attack back).

There will definitely be a discussion about a ban for this combo though (at least this "extended aerith combo") soon. Any competent player can pick up zidane and abuse this combo and since the character itself doesn't have that many CP against him (although it's stage dependent mostly), I can see this being over used.

LXD92
01-27-2013, 03:45 PM
To bad it dont count as an infinite. and people have the possibility to escape it with;

1. Assist changes
2. If the Zid player miss the timing after SB or just mess the combo up completly.

If this do become a "it should be ban worthy" discussion I could bring up the ban of KL too on Ultimecia which in the end will never be banned on her.

Edit:

yeah forgot CP with stages.

Sparki
01-27-2013, 04:19 PM
I'm just going to leave this here.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmGdSPCaBmo

Note the upload date btw. The timing is nowhere near as strict as it looks and takes like 10mins of practice.

TheLostSabre
01-27-2013, 09:07 PM
People are going to riot about this... :rolleyes:

kewldude475
01-27-2013, 09:20 PM
Everyone knew about these long ago. A few riots have happened, but it's not as bad as it could be. I wouldn't mind an Aerith ban.

Dante
01-27-2013, 09:24 PM
Guys just use the summon that triples ur brv on hp jeez u guys dont think.

LXD92
01-27-2013, 09:24 PM
Kid's these days, only complain when they face problems Kappa