Is Cloud Any Good?

[CloudStrife1872]

I think Cloud is the best character in the game. I've completely mastered all of his moves. I admit he's bad at he beginning, but once you level up he's amazing. What do you guys think? Is he any good?

[Kite]

All I will say is this:

lolololololololol

also, look here for why that is false http://dissidiaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1351

[Suppi]

I still question if you're talking about Cloud or Cloud of Darkness *You said He but CoD is referred to as a she even though it has no gender so can be classified as he for all you care about ;3*

[Björk]

Hes really slow. I honestly cannot play him at all.

I would ask if you've played anyone else at all, because the majority are better and/or easier to play as.

[Oreo]

that's a pretty bold statement to make :eek:
cloud's amazing no doubt, i like him too. but to put cloud and best character in the same sentence is just wrong

[Kite]

unless theirs a "not" in between

[Björk]

Evry1 knows spehirot is the best !!!1

[Scott]

Cloud is alright, but something about his play style doesn't feel fluid to me. I feel like I'm stuck in rigid movements and mediocre speed.

[WhiteHowl]

unless theirs a "not" in between

watch Kumo. Because of this topic, the next Dissidence will be won by a Cloud mainer

[Kite]

That still wouldnt make him the best character in the game

[Björk]

Kefka is amazing though ._.

[PKNintendo]

As the OP of that topic, I find that Cloud is great for awhile but falters as players get better. He ends up being ever so slightly below average.

[OmniFalcon]

LOL
Cloud is pretty bad imo. It takes a smart player to win consistently with him. But, thats why I like using him. It can be pretty fun playing mind games with him, because hes a high risk/reward character.

[テツヤ Kuroko]

LOL
Cloud is pretty bad imo. It takes a smart player to win consistently with him. But, thats why I like using him. It can be pretty fun playing mind games with him, because hes a high risk/reward character.

Yeah, I agree. But that didn't stop me from finally deciding to main him again =P

[pheano]

hes not the best character in the game or anything but all of the characters were designed well and all of them are good

[テツヤ Kuroko]

I don't really think there is a "Best" character. It's all preference and playstyle of the person.

[pheano]

I don't really think there is a "Best" character. It's all preference and playstyle of the person.

yes thats what i love about this game
its more about skill and less about just playing a character that is an auto win
playing beter characters will only give you a slight increase in power

[テツヤ Kuroko]

Yeah, for Cloud you mostly have to catch the opponent off guard or by blocking. He's one of the more strategical characters, even though you'd never think that.

[pheano]

Yeah, for Cloud you mostly have to catch the opponent off guard or by blocking. He's one of the more strategical characters, even though you'd never think that.

well thats a general strategy that everyone uses
its the best and in most place the only way to lang atacks

[Mako.Fever]

Cloud is great imo..
he is one of the few (if not the only one) character that can cut enemy hps into 1 hp left, with just 4000ish Bravery

thanks to his Omni v5

[Scott]

The problem with that, though, is you need to connect a hit, and all of Cloud's attacks are ridiculously easy to dodge.

[Mako.Fever]

that is right, but Cloud's attack is deadly (with or even without critical)

even if he's slow, i think he can still perform pretty well in any stages with lots of wall/floor

[Kite]

Not against Kuja

[Bathoin]

Or any character faster then him or have range. That puts cloud at an disadvantage right off the bat. That will be 6 characters that he will have a problem with.

[pheano]

the problem i see with cloud is he rellys to much on his brv atacks for damage making him far to predictable
his only unpredictable move is meteor rain when your in the middle of jumping over him

[Björk]

He's really powerful, it's just near impossible to land any of his attacks. He relies far too heavily on mindgames and punishing mistakes, but when a mistake is made, Cloud will destroy you. Break - HP attack - Wall Rush - 1 HP left is no joke.

[pheano]

He's really powerful, it's just near impossible to land any of his attacks. He relies far too heavily on mindgames and punishing mistakes, but when a mistake is made, Cloud will destroy you. Break - HP attack - Wall Rush - 1 HP left is no joke.

alot of characters function like that
sephiroth rellys on that alot as well but he can also abuse the dodge animation for combo abuse and linking to octoslash

[Björk]

Sephiroth has better options than cloud offensively.

[pheano]

Sephiroth has better options than cloud offensively.

of course but im just saying that cloud isnt the only one that rellys on mind games and misplays
he needs something more concreat to relly on

[NeroMD]

The reason Cloud is a straightfoward character is because he lacks options unlike other characters. Cloud has a hard time mixing up attacks because Cloud definatly isn´t feared in the air with no equip battles. There are osme fights for Cloud where it´s completely hopeless to try and fight. One being Kuja as Cloud´s opponent. Any player knows to keep fighting Cloud in the air and using magic attacks on him to prevent him doing something nasty to you.

And his move sets are very good but too situational.
Cloud Strife has no problems landing his attacks thanks to landing lag, Yes even Sonic Break and all of his fire spells is good to use on an offensive side.

Although a few small mess ups can hurt Cloud pretty bad. Same against the opponent.

[pheano]

cloud only works if your amazing at the game(aka nero)

[Mako.Fever]

I don't see why Cloud should be afraid against Kuja, it's true that kuja's attack are fast and can hit cloud easily. But kuja only have 3 HP attacks, which i think all of them are easy to dodge..

And if kuja decide to stick to the air, cloud can also play defensively until he got his EX full. After that starts playing offensively

I haven't fight human-played kuja before, so this is just my opinion

[pheano]

I don't see why Cloud should be afraid against Kuja, it's true that kuja's attack are fast and can hit cloud easily. But kuja only have 3 HP attacks, which i think all of them are easy to dodge..

And if kuja decide to stick to the air, cloud can also play defensively until he got his EX full. After that starts playing offensively

I haven't fight human-played kuja before, so this is just my opinion

cloud has a much worse air game than kuja who is 100% air game
and cloud is far to predictable

[Janken]

The only chance you have against Kuja is forcing him to be on the ground, if that means dodging Ultima 5000 times you might aswell do it.

[BrilliantCataclysm]

Almost all of Cloud's attacks have a pretty slow begin. You can see them coming, and dodge or, even better, block them, leaving him open. Also, when his attack misses, he is pretty open too.

Even with his EX Mode On, the situation doesn't turn so bad anyway. You can always dodge and punish.

[Mako.Fever]

i can see why cloud is so underdog here..
but he's just strong, that what's great about Cloud

even if you have problem landing a hit on an enemy, you can always use EX counter, and they are done for

[smilie]

Though I am a Cloud mainer, I admit most of his attacks are slow, easy to predict, and is open wide after executing an attack but it does not mean he is not a good character. (I find him easy to use at the beginning)

IMO, playing fighting games makes sense when you appreciate those hard to master characters. :)

[Lesphius]

In my opinion i find Cloud predictable because all of his attacks have too much start-up time making him easy to counter. His moves are pretty safe and what he lacks in speed, he makes up in power. His EX mode does make him practically unpunishable because all of his attacks can Guard Break but that doesn't mean he is still isn't vulnerable after he missed a Climhazzard because you dodged back.

Overall: He is good to start the game off but not good to use in a professional level unless you dominate the game. Dominating the game isn't beating a level 150 Chaos, its being able to beat other players, not computers, because they don't learn from their mistakes and are easy to predict.

[smilie]

I agree to that especially beating those experts that easily pawns any version of Chaos. :)

[Advent-EVA]

People need to realise Cloud's 'predictive' moveset can also become unpredictable depending on the situation and how you use them, he's got incredible potential if he's used wisely. Mindgames mean a lot to some characters, Cloud is one of them; if someone's willing to use him without trying to screw their opponent's mind and solely depend on landing either Slashing blow or Climhazzard to chain to Omnislash to deal damage, you'll be digging your own grave, that's a given.

I've already written this into NeroMD's video thread, here's the link:http://dissidiaforums.com/showthread.php?t=548&page=8&highlight=NeroMD

Alright guys, please refer yourselves to the Cloud section more, there's a FAQ that has been made by Belts and Nero that should answer all your questions, there is no reason to discuss about Cloud's usefulness so much, you either use him or you don't, period. I've also made a moveset analysis, and I'm currently making an Ability, Moves and Equipment Setup, just stay tuned.

Being a Cloud mainer myself since the game first came out in Japan, I can honestly tell you that I'm never getting tired of using him, and even though I'm using most characters now, he shall always be my main no matter what. He has his pros and cons, in all honesty every character does, but blatantly saying he's bad when you don't even main the character doesn't have any impact whatsoever. The title's asking if he's any good, my answer is as simple as the title: yes he is, it's how you actually use him that's important in the end. That thread could be made for every existing character, I'd rather want you to keep this as organised as it can be, I'll gladly answer your questions about him if you have any, so don't hesitate to send me a pm; it will be my pleasure to be of assistance to you guys.

[Zarkon]

I use cloud because he's good for my play style.

[Gora]

Cloud in Dissidia is like Ike in SSBB. He is slow and a bad choice on an expert level but for some reason everyone uses him anyways out of misplaced 'cool character' guidance. All my dissidia kai friends apart from 1 main Cloud as they are generic fanbois so they are easy meat for me in ad-hoc fights, I'd assume it is the same for a lot of other Cloud players.

As for actually playing him, I feel like I am trying to hit a fly with a boulder as Cloud so it takes me forever to kill anyone in ad-hoc matches.

[True_Silurian]

this is true, having just spent a few days leveling cloud up to 100 i have cokme to realise that he just isnt that good!!

he does have some devastating moves like the cross-slash (if you can make contact with it), and another one i cant remember the name of.

But he is very slow and easy to run rings around, so would be a bad choice for serious competition gaming, but as a character to play for the fun of the game is good because he provides "fan-boy" fun..

it all depends on what you play for.:D:D

[Gora]

Well he is great against AI and story mode in general as he has solid HP attacks that AI can't avoid for shizz, and he has 2 BRV>HP attacks which both rack up nice brv dmg (finishing touch is his best looking move imo, after seeing Omni V5 spammed over 9000 times in every ad-hoc fight I got bored of it quickly).

[Oreo]

finishing touch is pretty indeed. and that's what i love about cloud, he got lotsa flashy mooves! i rmb there's plenty cloud players during the j ver. period, at least that's the case for my country.

cloud is especially hella strong in equip battles. that doesn't matter since most don't play with equips. but still, even though he's quite slow n predictable, u got to love him for his fierce and hard hits. 1 break plus a slam to the wall u can almost hear Shao Kahn announcing finish him! fatality!

let's love cloud :p

[Durzo]

Agreed Oreo.

Since Gora likes SSBB references. Let me try this...
Ok, Cloud is like Bowser. Bowser really isn't the best, but he's got a killer rep. That is Cloud. He isn't the best, but he's flashy, popular and has some nice rep.

I mean, Bowser has a move, where he can take both himself and the opponent out of the arena. That is rep. :D

[Gora]

Lol oh I spam that as bowser online when I feel like being annoying. But I see what you mean. But he still shouldn't be so overused just cuz he is a flashy char. I'm sure Cloud players could easily enjoy another char as much if not more if they just tried lolol.

And besides, when was the last time Bowser won a tournament? lololol

[Durzo]

Lol. ITS STREET CRED MAN. BOWSER FTW. :D
You want overused? Why don't you look at the Squall section?

[BusterBlade]

Everyone is a good character in dissidia if you know how to use them. Cloud for example is unstoppable in EX and if his hits do hit, then it does a hell of a lot of brv damage. Combine EX with his hits and you've pretty much won.

[Setsitaru]

I don't even use Cloud and i know that he can be a good character. His BRV attacks knock chunks off of your BRV gauge and can leave you broken in a very quick time. yes, his attacks are slow, but thats why in EX their unblockable, in EX you'll run from even those slow attacks!! combine that with how he can chain Finishing Touch on the ground and Omni Slash Version 5 in the air THEN do his EX attack, which hits multiple times before delivering HP damage and its over (people can live through all of this of course but in general). If i had to sum him up, i'd say Cloud is a Powerhouse with a bit more speed on him than normal because normal power char in games are generally slower than Cloud is compared to other char in Dissidia when you think about it. he moves at an average speed and attacks at just below average speed. So I say, he's easy to learn, but difficult to truly master.

[FF7Cloud]

Dont lose faith man :D. Clouds awsome. Hes not all that easy to use. Which makes it fun trying to beat your oppenent and mindgaming em.

[Aevitas]

Lol oh I spam that as bowser online when I feel like being annoying. But I see what you mean. But he still shouldn't be so overused just cuz he is a flashy char. I'm sure Cloud players could easily enjoy another char as much if not more if they just tried lolol.

And besides, when was the last time Bowser won a tournament? lololol

I don't know about Bowser, but Cloud has won a tournament on here before. (http://dissidiaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2548) It really all depends on how well you know and use him.

[FF7Cloud]

Cloud is the best. But its not the same online. Play online. And if you do youll know that its not that easy to win with him. So train.

[Rei-N]

Increase your checking skills, learn all the properties of your attacks, utilize fire setups if that's your spiel, abuse your EX mode priority buff, capitalize on punishing, and above all else...BE PATIENT.

That sums it up I believe. XD

[SkullKid]

New member here (hilol), just had to chime in and say Cloud is probably the most fun I'm having with any of the characters. His playstyle demands awareness and it makes the game as a whole that much better ;D

[Lelouch()]

New member here (hilol)

go introduce yourself in the introductions section

[Cait Sith]

well cloud is an awesome character but i do truly suck with him. although he is one of the three characters that i have at 100 i still say he can be a bit slow in the game which can give a bunch of faster (and smarter if you're playing online) opponents a good advantage over you since i noticed that clouds attacks seem to be easy to spot and block/dodge. Other than that I think Cloud is my Favorite character from the FF series but not in Dissidia. I guess its just like Rei-N up there said it takes patience to play with cloud.

[DARKCLOUDVII]

if you train enough cloud can become faster and less predictable than people think

[Dyssadia]

if you train enough cloud can become faster and less predictable than people think

Unforunately your statement is false as there are no accessories or abilities that increase the speed of cloud's attacks. Not only that but without Ex Mode, he is basically waiting to get his ass handed to him (and even then Jecht and Exdeath have priorities over Cloud's Ex Mode). For most players that know what their doing with Cloud, they all know Cloud is not an offense character. He is a definite Guard & Riposte with Hp/Brave Wall Rush dmg. Not only that but he excells better on the ground and not in the air.

No matter how you train, Cloud is the worst character (this pulls in account his predicate attacks, horrible aim with HP attacks and weak aerial gameplay) in the game. And yes while the player's skill does override the characters weakness, that doesn't change the characters weakness. If you lost to Cloud for any reason, you didn't know what you were doing.

[Kraid]

Dyssadia, obviously you've not gone againest some more experienced Clouds.

One move for you: Double Cut. This is Clouds fastest attack and can link into Slash Blow or Cross Slash.

He also has Fire and Fira that allow him to get openings to use his Brave Attacks.

DarkCloudVII wasn't talking about attack speed. He was talking about things like Omni Air Dash and such like.

Cloud is all about defence. Play wrong againest a good Cloud, you die. Simple.

Alternately you can watch Advent EVAs matches.

[Lelouch()]

No matter how you train, Cloud is the worst character (this pulls in account his predicate attacks, horrible aim with HP attacks and weak aerial gameplay) in the game. And yes while the player's skill does override the characters weakness, that doesn't change the characters weakness. If you lost to Cloud for any reason, you didn't know what you were doing.

Brilliantly....untrue, there are underdogs who pleh cloud with such ferocity that it makes me piss my pants even when I use Jecht(I still win in the end with a couple losses) Cloud is offensive mindgame character that demands huge amount of skill to use, saying that cloud is the worst character in the game is a bold statement and it shows that the only cloud you have been fighting is a CPU or a ten year old kid who plays cloud for his gravity defying hair

[Kite]

No matter how you train, Cloud is the worst character (this pulls in account his predicate attacks, horrible aim with HP attacks and weak aerial gameplay) in the game. And yes while the player's skill does override the characters weakness, that doesn't change the characters weakness. If you lost to Cloud for any reason, you didn't know what you were doing.

Its funny how youre basing this off of plain theory

Thats alot of people that dont know what they are doing. Its funny since two people that lost to a cloud before are currently fighting for second place in the tourney thats currently being hosted, and a cloud player won the previous tourney. And what about the players they beat? Do they not know what theyre doing either? Thats pretty much the entire forum =P

[DARKCLOUDVII]

its good atleast other people realise the potential of cloud when used properly.

[Spike]

Quote:
No matter how you train, Cloud is the worst character (this pulls in account his predicate attacks, horrible aim with HP attacks and weak aerial gameplay) in the game. And yes while the player's skill does override the characters weakness, that doesn't change the characters weakness. If you lost to Cloud for any reason, you didn't know what you were doing.

That is if the Cloud you're playing with is very aggressive. A defensive Cloud can be very dangerous. A single OMnislash V.5 can turn the tides of battle and you can be the losing one from that. Also Cloud is meant to be defensive. SO you'll be blocking and dodging, then counterattacking to ensure your HP attacks land.

Also, Cloud is the worst character, then why do people win with him? In a sense this is game is pretty balanced so a worst character might be a great character if used right.

[Kite]

or he simply isnt a the worst character =P

I DONT THINK I R PLAY CLOUD RIGHT. I R USING HIM AGGRESSIVE AND FOR SOME REASON I R WIN

[Scott]

Quote:
No matter how you train, Cloud is the worst character (this pulls in account his predicate attacks, horrible aim with HP attacks and weak aerial gameplay) in the game. And yes while the player's skill does override the characters weakness, that doesn't change the characters weakness. If you lost to Cloud for any reason, you didn't know what you were doing.

That is if the Cloud you're playing with is very aggressive. A defensive Cloud can be very dangerous. A single OMnislash V.5 can turn the tides of battle and you can be the losing one from that. Also Cloud is meant to be defensive. SO you'll be blocking and dodging, then counterattacking to ensure your HP attacks land.

Also, Cloud is the worst character, then why do people win with him? In a sense this is game is pretty balanced so a worst character might be a great character if used right.

There's a quote feature on these forums if you want to quote someone. It's the button in the persons post that says "QUOTE"

Anyway, I believe Cloud has a better chance of winning if he isn't overly aggressive. That doesn't mean you have to be defensive, but just a little smart with your timing.

Cloud is meant to be High-risk, High-reward, and with a little patience, he can easily become high-patience, high-reward instead.

Double Cut being a very fast attack, and the fact that it can link into either Cross Slash or Slashing Blow also adds a little danger to him with bursts of aggression.

[Kite]

I just be running up to people and be like DOUBLE CUT HAAAAAA.

and then I cast out the fires, and run back up and be like DOUBLE CU.... WAIT NO ITS A TRAP, and then I be Cross slashing and so on

[Scott]

Oh, Kumo. You so crazy.

Anyway, so with Double Cut -> Cross Slash/Slashing Blow. Has anyone else noticed it like often misses? Maybe it's just my terrible timing. I've only seemed to be able to connect them about 3 times.

[Kite]

well, that depends, are you playing computers?

[Scott]

Well, until I get Wireless, that's all I have to fight, as my only friends with the game live an hour away, or the other one, doesn't like Dissidia anymore. )=

[Lelouch()]

I think that combo will succeed more on humans than on the CPU

[Scott]

So would that also mean that:

Double Cut (I) -> Jump -> Slashing Blow -> Omnislash V5 -> Climhazzard (I) -> Slashing Blow -> Omnislash V5 would work more on people too?

(I) meaning incomplete.

I pulled it off once on a CPU and it turned into a OCKO (One combo KO) purely because it uses 2 HP attacks at different times.

[Kite]

cpus dont suffer from landing lag =P

I thought it was forward dodge, not jump

omni cant chain to clim, clim is too slow to be done after omni, epcially due to the after lag of omni

[Scott]

cpus dont suffer from landing lag =P

I thought it was forward dodge, not jump

omni cant chain to clim, clim is too slow to be done after omni, epcially due to the after lag of omni

Might be a forward dodge, but with the Adamant set, it kindof gets ruined. Good reason to stop using the Adamant set, I suppose.

Well I pulled it off on a computer. They slammed into the ground have Omni, and I used Climhazzard. I only managed to pull it off once though.

[Kite]

are you sure that it wasnt one of those computer moments

[Providence]

^Regarding the Double Cut -> Slashing Blow combo... It only works if the opponent is in the air and if the opponent is NOT a floating one (e.g. CoD and Golbez).

This combo will hit 100% of the time if you fulfil the above 2 conditions and if you get the timing down, the latter of which I will try to explain here again.

After a double cut is executed on an airborne opponent, your opponent will be in the hit-stun animation, and then start to fall to the ground. The trick here is to watch their legs =-)

After the hit-stun animation, the opponent will fall and just before he lands he will do a little swing near the ground. Watch this part carefully: Your opponent will actually swing a little backwards WITH HIS FEET STILL OFF THE GROUND and then after that his feet will contact the ground. (If you do not believe me do a normal double cut on an airborne opponent and watch him in slow motion as he falls to the ground in replay mode).

ANYWAY, what you want to do is to land the 1st hit of slash blow the moment your opponent's feet touch the ground. That's the sweet spot. Therefore, once your opponents begins his little swing, press jump and mash away at the command for slashing blow. If done right, the combo will connect 100% all the time.

I've tried to explain this to the best of my ability and I hope it helps anyone out there trying to link double cut -> slashing blow ^^.

Unfortunately this timing 'trick' will not apply to cross slash but I prefer linking slashing blow from double cut anyway. Simple reason being I do not want my opponents to know I have cross slash equipped so when I rush in they will expect a double cut and block eating a cross slash in their faces.

Just my 2 cents! =-)

[Spike]

Hiya Scott sorry I forgot to post the person I quoted from. Anyway, Cloud's combo of Double cut is good if the opponent is suffering from landing lag so Double Cut(I)->Cross Slash is doable but CPUs don't suffer much from landing lag so sometimes they don't work against them. Also, A forward dodge without midair evasion boost allows me to connect the Double Cut->Slash Blow. I'm not really a fan of midair evasion boost so I don't equip adamant set and don't know if that combo works with midair evasion.

[Suppi]

Omni slash V5 > *land* Climhazard =/= combo *you can get out of it by blocking/dodging*

[Shutendoji]

Oh, Kumo. You so crazy.

Anyway, so with Double Cut -> Cross Slash/Slashing Blow. Has anyone else noticed it like often misses? Maybe it's just my terrible timing. I've only seemed to be able to connect them about 3 times.

Double Cut -> Slashing Blow works just as good on CPUs as it does on humans actually (in fact, you can do it more often because CPUs are retarded). I never got the timing down for the Cross Slash combo, but it definitely seems to have different timing than the Slashing Blow variant, I just never practice it since Omnislash is infinitely superior.

These combos do not work on floating characters as Providence stated, which is a real shame since floating characters include Golbez :(

[Lelouch()]

Double Cut -> Slashing Blow works just as good on CPUs as it does on humans actually (in fact, you can do it more often because CPUs are retarded

I have to correct you on this one, as we have always repeated, this combo works because of landing lag, since CPUs do not suffer from landing lag, the only way to land this combo 100% on CPUs is to fight lv5 difficulty and below bots

[Shutendoji]

I have to correct you on this one, as we have always repeated, this combo works because of landing lag, since CPUs do not suffer from landing lag, the only way to land this combo 100% on CPUs is to fight lv5 difficulty and below bots

I don't know where you got that from, but CPUs do suffer from landing lag even on Lv.105 settings. That's how I was able to even learn Double Cut -> Slashing Blow.

Likewise, Tidus' Full Slide -> Full Slide also works on CPUs, so they definitely do suffer landing lag. Maybe you're play a different version of the game than I am.

[Kite]

They do suffer from landing lag, but its very minimal compared to a humans

I know for a fact that you cant double cut to slash blow a cpu that is barely off the ground, but you can a human

[Morbidust]

This topic is just sacrilege. Cloud is great for beginners to get used to the feel of the game. Beyond that, he is like a rattle is to a baby: Eventually we grow up, find our rythm, and upgrade to maracas... :D

[Kite]

ORLY


guess Ill play with mah rattle forever

[ShineThatLight]

They do suffer from landing lag, but its very minimal compared to a humans

I know for a fact that you cant double cut to slash blow a cpu that is barely off the ground, but you can a human

Then check your facts, i am pretty sure Advent did this in his Im Breaking my Limits or whatever vid (mission room)

[Morbidust]

ORLY


guess Ill play with mah rattle forever

Nay Kumo, you totally play with a keytar.