FF7 speculation thread

[pheano]

one thing thats just been in the back of my head
for some reason i think sephiroth will one day use denzel to come back
i know he was cured but its still just in the back of my head making me think that

[smilie]

I don't want that to happen cause Denzel was supposed to be Cloud's apprentice!! :)

[pheano]

I don't want that to happen cause Denzel was supposed to be Cloud's apprentice!! :)

which would make a great plot twist
i just got this amazing image of this the other day
cloud was in like his 30s and had facial hair(lolwut) and densel went to the core of the planet to bring sephy back
when all of a sudden sephys arm shoots out of the mako wall behind him into densels back and absorbs him
it was pretty cool

[smilie]

Denzel already mimic one of Cloud's limitbreak. :)

But your idea was good for a plot twist but what about the return of Genesis? :)

[pheano]

Denzel already mimic one of Cloud's limitbreak. :)

But your idea was good for a plot twist but what about the return of Genesis? :)

well in my fan fic that nothing to do with that densel thing genesis comes back and tries to stop the main character, sephiroth clone 00(a self aware clone that belives that hes sephiroth's son)
i can go into greater detail if you like

[smilie]

well in my fan fic that nothing to do with that densel thing genesis comes back and tries to stop the main character, sephiroth clone 00(a self aware clone that belives that hes sephiroth's son)
i can go into greater detail if you like

Go ahead. :)

Genesis should have known about the new plot since he sealed himself and waited for the time he will be needed. :)

[pheano]

Go ahead. :)

Genesis should have known about the new plot since he sealed himself and waited for the time he will be needed. :)

ok well first off theres the main character
clone 00
hojo created him as a secret project on his own
but it was a failure so he was sealed away for further reserch
when he awakens like how zack awakened and escaped he has a fake memory fabricated by jenova and belives that sephiroth is his father ect ect
he goes off to bring him back
stuff happens vincent clones are made to mass produce the protomateria and abuse its powers by fusing it with summon materia and black materia
more stuff happens
he finds sephiroth regenerating at the core of the planet
sephiroth tries to take over his body and use it as a new vesal
his will is to strong and they have a mental battle like at the end of ff7 but more like the ichigo vs hollow ichigo fight
the fight ends and sephiroths black wing that was around them opens up and now he as the wing and his sword
genesis apears and tries to stop him because he is now a tool of the planet serving for minerva like the weapons
he too is over powered and now has two wings
atempts to take over cloud and have the power of light that angeal left zack and zack left him
but he corupts himself by useing the origional proto materia to get stronger and has one of chaos's wings(like in kh)
the plan is ruined because he cant have a perfect reunion anymore and clense the world
so he uses his new found power of jenova and god modes completely
steps outside of the fabric of space and time and recreates everything so he can start over and atempt to have a perfect reuinion this time
he then pulls over his black hood and holds out his hands
then all of the doors to each world start moving into one another and then break and become one door
his sword morphs into a keyblade and he chucks it into the door

thats the summary of what happens
dont feal like going into anymore detail than that to explain some of the scetchy stuff like the kh stuff

[Scott]

I think the Sephiroth part of FF7 is well and truly over. The game itself wrapped it up nicely, and the movie tied all loose ends in regards to Cloud's mind, and Sephiroth himself. I can't really see it going anywhere except for perhaps something to do with Genesis, and even then, I feel it's starting to become too much. I feel Square Enix should elaborate on other Final Fantasy games a bit more now.

As for Kingdom Hearts cameos, they are just that, and I wouldn't consider them canon within the story of each Final Fantasy represented. Aerith being alive should be more than enough proof to show that.

[Aevitas]

one thing thats just been in the back of my head
for some reason i think sephiroth will one day use denzel to come back
i know he was cured but its still just in the back of my head making me think that

I actually read a fanfic a looooong time ago about Cloud and Tifa having a son who started to have silver hair and green eyes. The author's theory was that Jenova cells function in such a way that you can bend certain things to your will (whether you want to or not), so in his story, Cloud was constantly thinking about Sephiroth and fearing that he would return someday, and his son starts to grow up to look like him. Definitely an ohsnap! moment. Can't remember what else happened in the fic but it was really well written.

[Scott]

I find fanfics to be the bane of integrity in the case of games like Final Fantasy.

[pheano]

I think the Sephiroth part of FF7 is well and truly over. The game itself wrapped it up nicely, and the movie tied all loose ends in regards to Cloud's mind, and Sephiroth himself. I can't really see it going anywhere except for perhaps something to do with Genesis, and even then, I feel it's starting to become too much. I feel Square Enix should elaborate on other Final Fantasy games a bit more now.

As for Kingdom Hearts cameos, they are just that, and I wouldn't consider them canon within the story of each Final Fantasy represented. Aerith being alive should be more than enough proof to show that.

there are still loose ends
like the fact sephiroth is imortal as long as the planet's source of energy is the life stream

[Scott]

According to what official source? It you can't provide one, I won't bother to believe you. It was your call, and the burden of proof lies with you.

Besides, I'd say after finally beginning to forgive himself, and the eradication of the Geo Stigma, Cloud wouldn't be giving Sephiroth form any more.

[Aevitas]

Not sure if this is the exact same thing, but this was posted earlier:

http://thelifestream.net/ffvii-advent-children-complete/3881/on-the-way-to-a-smile-lifestream-black-and-lifestream-white/

Essentially, Sephiroth will not disappear and return to the Lifestream as long as people still remember him. But I do agree that Sephiroth has come back enough times. Cloud doesn't have to keep dealing with him again and again. Let him move on.

[!Certified!]

I find fanfics to be the bane of integrity in the case of games like Final Fantasy.

lol

I found what you said to be very humorous and very insightful regarding the plague that is/are fanfictions.

While I am slightly ashamed to be enamored with reading them, I can pridefully say they ruin the purity and integrity of series that depicted. That being said, there is nothing necessarily wrong with writing fanfictions and there is nothing pretty much anyone can do to stop them just short of making the writing of one illegal - I don't see that happening anytime soon though.

So for now, until the clouds part and a ray of hope casting out the evil away comes forth, all we can do is take seat in the shadows and wait impatiently...

:p

[ArgyleNinja]

I might have misread the title, so forgive this post if it's off-topic.

Am I the only one who thinks Cloud's one arm might be a prosthetic? The one in the glove? I mean, it looks like a prosthetic...

[pheano]

I might have misread the title, so forgive this post if it's off-topic.

Am I the only one who thinks Cloud's one arm might be a prosthetic? The one in the glove? I mean, it looks like a prosthetic...

no your fine
your speculating about his arm
^^
hmm never though about it
which arm, his right one?
i doubt it because of all the blood shown when sephiroth stabed him all over in the remake of the FF7:AC fight

[Archideas]

FF7 should just lay down and die already. It was over after Crisis Core. :<

[pheano]

FF7 should just lay down and die already. It was over after Crisis Core. :<

thats your opinion and you have your right to it but theres no need for you to make it here
if you feel the need to voice this opinion make your own topic and discuss it there but it is irrelevant here
thank you

[Scott]

I thought it was over after Dirge of Cerberus, from a chronological standpoint.

[pheano]

I thought it was over after Dirge of Cerberus, from a chronological standpoint.

and from the stand point that allot of series cant come back from a game that bad

[Scott]

Except Crisis Core.

Yeeeeeeeeeah, got you there, huh?

Either way, I believe the story of 7 is well and truly over. All that's left would maybe be a compliation of all the stories released to be played chronologically on a single system.

[pheano]

Except Crisis Core.

Yeeeeeeeeeah, got you there, huh?

Either way, I believe the story of 7 is well and truly over. All that's left would maybe be a compliation of all the stories released to be played chronologically on a single system.

they ended each one in such a way they can make a spin off any time they need a quick buck
the next one would be about genesis since hes still alive

[ArgyleNinja]

no your fine
your speculating about his arm
^^
hmm never though about it
which arm, his right one?
i doubt it because of all the blood shown when sephiroth stabed him all over in the remake of the FF7:AC fight

No, his left arm, the one with the pauldron on it. And even if he was stabbed, was he stabbed in his lower forearm, or his hand?

But refresh my memory, how long was the glove he wore on his left hand? I remember seeing him rip off his sleeve, but I can't remember how long his glove was.

[Zellos]

No, his left arm, the one with the pauldron on it. And even if he was stabbed, was he stabbed in his lower forearm, or his hand?

But refresh my memory, how long was the glove he wore on his left hand? I remember seeing him rip off his sleeve, but I can't remember how long his glove was.


I think it went up to the middle of his left forearm.

[ArgyleNinja]

I think it went up to the middle of his left forearm.

There you go. More evidence to support my theory. Has his entire left arm been shown in its entirety?

Oh, before I forget, he did have on a normal glove in Crisis Core, but that was before FFVII, he could've lost it sometime between the two games.

[Shigunetheseraph]

I might have misread the title, so forgive this post if it's off-topic.

Am I the only one who thinks Cloud's one arm might be a prosthetic? The one in the glove? I mean, it looks like a prosthetic...

I used to think that, but I don't think it's prosthetic. It's kind of like Vincent's arm, prosthetic and golden. When he was with the Turks, his left arm was normal, afterward his arm goes prosthetic. There can be many theories why this happened: my guess is because he had been experimented on so much, his hand reacted to these beast experiments and the hand may have gotten demonic. This may have also happened, his hand getting less human, when Lucrecia gave him the reviving materia which turned him into Chaos.

In DoC, you can see in the rejuvenation tank that he turned right into Chaos just after being revived, and when given the Protomateria, after a bit, the transformation fo Chaos left a permanent mark on him, in the form of his hand. But this is my guess :p

[Archideas]

thats your opinion and you have your right to it but theres no need for you to make it here
if you feel the need to voice this opinion make your own topic and discuss it there but it is irrelevant here
thank you

It's not irrelevant. If this thread is about speculating for any possible sequals of Final Fantasy 7, I just stated my opinion of that it should just die. They've milked the game too much already. Final Fantasy 7 was good, but that's that. :<

[Shigunetheseraph]

It's not irrelevant. If this thread is about speculating for any possible sequals of Final Fantasy 7, I just stated my opinion of that it should just die. They've milked the game too much already. Final Fantasy 7 was good, but that's that. :<

I heard from many people that DoC was terrible,( I thought it was good). But what if SE decided to make DOC2?

[Archideas]

I heard from many people that DoC was terrible,( I thought it was good). But what if SE decided to make DOC2?

I'd sigh, facepalm and ignore it.

[Repliica]

Is there going to be a continuation of the series in some way considering the fact that..

Genesis didn't die and he came back to get Weiss?

I think that DoC wasn't bad - gameplay wise, yeah they should've invested a little more into it but storywise I found it interesting. It was nice to learn a little bit more about Vincent Valentine. However, I also have to agree that they have milked the series like crazy. Hopefully if FF XIII is the so called 'new FF-VII' then they can milk that series instead and FF-VII can finally rest in peace.

Anyway - Aerith = The Goddess?
I know that she has a connection to the LOVELESS poem, in fact I've always loved these few shots. It's the sign that falls on Reno and Rude. The sign is a LOVELESS sign and it has a shot of a woman that looks like Aerith, I think its pretty obvious that it IS her.

http://www.ff7citadel.com/secrets/s_images/sa_lovelessac1.jpg
http://www.ff7citadel.com/secrets/s_images/sa_lovelessac3.jpg
http://www.ff7citadel.com/secrets/s_images/sa_lovelessac3.jpg

This isn't really speculation, but I thought the connection established between Final Fantasy VII and X was pretty cool. It's a confusing matter but rather interesting in itself.

[HYNE]

Anyway - Aerith = The Goddess?
Minerva is the goddess spoken of in Loveless.

Btw, I had a theory going on when I finished Crisis Core; since Minerva was the goddess of the Planet (Gaia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_%28Final_Fantasy_VII%29)), I thought that Jenova might be the same, a goddess of another planet. Imagined it something like; Jenova once ruled her planet, or at least been a protector/overseer, but then she transcended that and started to travel through universe, conquering other civilizations.

Damn, I had much more of a theory than this, perhaps I should battle Minerva again and write everything down.

[Repliica]

But the goddess can be interpreted in many ways. Minerva is the goddess of the planet, I know that.. x3 ah feck, Damn its been so long since I've looked into the Aerith theories.

But yeah, I'd have to agree with your theory on Jenova or at least support it. Man, I honestly wish I had all the stuff I had awhile back. There was so much awesome with Final Fantasy VII and X.. x3

[Aevitas]

I agree Rep, the connection with VII and X was kind of weird to me, because the styles of the games are so outrageously different. At the same time though, it makes sense.

Also, if you were posting an image in the spoiler tag about the LOVELESS sign, I can't see it. >.<

[smilie]

Since it was Genesis who is obsessed with LOVELESS, it makes more sense (and more acceptable) that Minerva is the Goddess in the poem since I don't see a connection between Aerith and Genesis. :)

[Neo Bahamut]

I don't understand how people can think that any loose ends are wrapped up. It would have been good if it ended with the game, but Advent Children has established no clear way that Sephiroth can be defeated for good. As well, they've DEFINITELY been working towards something with Genesis.

Speaking of, my theory is that LOVELESS is a prophecy, predicting a new game in the series. I'm not sure if Genesis will be a hero, a party member, or a misguided villain. All seem equally likely at this point.

I've also heard it said a lot that "Cloud no longer has Jenova cells." I hate this bit of speculation. It's just so unfounded that such a long standing plot point could be eradicated just by magic water, especially when it's been described as a genetic infusion. His Geostigma is gone, sure, but there's no way he no longer has Jenova cells. They're where all of his abilities come from, for crying out loud!

My speculation for Jenova is that she's possibly the Chaos of another world. It shares some remarkable similarities with Chaos. It is highly connected with tainted Lifestream & it exists apparently only to kill.

I think that Minerva is some kind of self-aware summon. Beyond that, I'm not really sure.

[533787655464]

If you are meaning another game for after Advent Children, then they would just be milking FF7 for what it is worth, seriously, there is a prequel of the prequel for god sake!

[ArgyleNinja]

no your fine
your speculating about his arm
^^
hmm never though about it
which arm, his right one?
i doubt it because of all the blood shown when sephiroth stabed him all over in the remake of the FF7:AC fight

No, I meant his left hand, the one with the bracer. If it helps, I mean the one with the sleeve over it in AC. I don't know why, but something about it just screams 'prosthetic'.