Secrets of Shift Break :|

[esorlim15]

After watching Dave's battles to study Zidane's capabilities, i noticed that he uses shift break.. Well, I for one never used it on online matches but he seemingly does it like a PRO and i was amazed on how shift break is utilized..

Now my question is, is there a secret to this seemingly "horrid" move? (I call it horrid coz i don't really like how it works, Long start lag and doesn't hit that much)

I know its used to interrupt moves but Dave uses it offensively and that there's a required distance to pull it off, but does anyone know how far you should be to hit with the lightning? I would like to know :D

[NeroMD]

Why do you think I'm only scared of Dave's zidane xd? He uses it like no other Zidane I have seen before. He was the first one that made me go WHOA WHAT A RUSH

[Kite]

seemingly horrid?

man, I used this move all day. Its so epic

also Nero, thats because you havent played me. Ill make you say WHOA WHAT A RUSH all night

^_')b

[RDFMASTER]

can anyone explain me what is this really about. Sorry i have not idea and i have not face Dave Zidane xD

[Dave880]

I think he means this RDF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5KlZhlNHuE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3tiz8qFTJw

Anyways, its just practice, practice, and practice.

[Scott]

People often seem to dash into a bolt, and get crushed by it. It's a really fun move.

[MeCz15]

Now my question is, is there a secret to this seemingly "horrid" move? (I call it horrid coz i don't really like how it works, Long start lag and doesn't hit that much)

You should give Shift Break a try, i mean in a different way (e.g countering spiral cut, ultima, tsunami etc) that's what i do..


I think he means this RDF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5KlZhlNHuE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3tiz8qFTJw

Anyways, its just practice, practice, and practice.

Practice?! Man, how long did you practice? Dude, I salute you! I shall now practice with Shift Break :):):)

[Kite]

practice to the point where you know the maximum range of shift break so you can hit people with the bolts instead of trapping them

^_')b

[Dave880]

^ What kumo said.

[Kite]

oh shit, so I really am doing it right, damn

[esorlim15]

People often seem to dash into a bolt, and get crushed by it. It's a really fun move.

Its no fun when you actually miss.. It's only by chance that people will get hit by a bolt unlike what Dave does :(

[QUOTE=MeCz15;85911]You should give Shift Break a try, i mean in a different way (e.g countering spiral cut, ultima, tsunami etc) that's what i do.. [QUOTE]

I don't want to use it as a counter as stated from my first post, i want to use it offensively to catch my opp off guard :mad:

[Dave880]

oh shit, so I really am doing it right, damn

Sorta but not really ^-')b

[Kite]

and to do that, you gotta be able to hit with the bolts


damn you Dave, explain

[MeCz15]

^ What kumo said.

so you mean to tell me that you actually know the exact range of Shift Break?! Damn, that's uber kewl O.o

[Kite]

not that hard to learn it though, its about half the size of that ff 1 stage

[esorlim15]

and to do that, you gotta be able to hit with the bolts


damn you Dave, explain

with the bolts? ugh, i can't understand a thing T_T

[MeCz15]

with the bolts? ugh, i can't understand a thing T_T

yes with the bolts, just look at Dave's vid

[Kite]

the bolts of shift break, you know the things that mess people up

[esorlim15]

not that hard to learn it though, its about half the size of that ff 1 stage

do you mean chaos sanc? :confused:

[Kite]

probably, I dont remember the name

[MeCz15]

ok, i just did it on AI, its about uhm... half (?) of orders sanctuary but the trick is, use it when the opp is about to dash towards you, there's a chance they'll get hit by the lightning..

You could test this out:

Vortex the enemy at the middle of Order's Sanctuary and wall rush them, after that execute Shift Break.. From there you can calculate the distance required for them to get hit by the lightning of Shift Break (If they don't get hit by the lightning, adjust and practice some more with some experimentation)

Hope this helps out a bit :):):)

[Kite]

problem is though, once you miss the shift break, any surprise tactics are gone

[MeCz15]

problem is though, once you miss the shift break, any surprise tactics are gone

I meant that against AI, practice with AI.. o.o

[ashkon77]

a nice use I found for shift break is against ground players such as golbez. When you dash at them, they will often dodge away expecting a swift attack or free energy, but if u use shift break they will often dodge into the lightning. Of course it would be too predictable if you did it too often. Also people won't expect you to use shift break from close range.

[Scott]

I've found computers are stupid enough to actually dodge into it, if they're just out of it's range, but still close enough to prompt a dodge, while they're trying to get to you.

[Kraid]

Ah Shift Break. Very nice move, but almost ALOT harder to pull off againest most mages and those who use projectiles. The only time I usually get hit by Shift Break is by a counterattack when using Cloud of Darkness or when he uses it in a Wall Rush Combo >_<.

[ColdRoxas]

I thought you just needed to do it whenever they're dashing towards you :/

[MeCz15]

I thought you just needed to do it whenever they're dashing towards you :/

possibilities are wider than you think, a well place wall rush will give you an opportunity to cast Shift Break (Of course from a distance) and the enemy would get caught in the lightning

like i've said, try doing vortex or storm impulse at the CENTER of OS and after the enemy is wall rushed, cast shift break.. of course you'll have to adjust a bit so practice, practice, and more practice (Dave's words of uber wisdom) :):):)

[Kite]

or you could just dash to the right distance.....

[Dave880]

Ah Shift Break. Very nice move, but almost ALOT harder to pull off againest most mages and those who use projectiles. The only time I usually get hit by Shift Break is by a counterattack when using Cloud of Darkness or when he uses it in a Wall Rush Combo >_<.

Kraid loves my Zidane


a nice use I found for shift break is against ground players such as golbez. When you dash at them, they will often dodge away expecting a swift attack or free energy, but if u use shift break they will often dodge into the lightning. Of course it would be too predictable if you did it too often. Also people won't expect you to use shift break from close range.

Uhhh no...

[Armoxus]

Honestly, half of my matches are wins from Shift Break. Not because I spam it or anything, but because the opponent either dashes into the bolt, runs into it on the ground, or even misdodges in the incorrect direction. It's a pretty awesome.

I also believe it reflects some of the smaller attacks/projectiles and such. One other thing is, if they dash into it, and one of your abilities activates, it'll either be a break, or a huge chunk of BRV gone from the opponent. As said earlier, learn the distance for Shift Break, both horizontally and vertically.

[Dave880]

Yea, its good for deflecting attacks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkLO9ekL_HQ

Also, like we all know from the dissidence tournament

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGV6W5SstY0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0oFE5p-_Lc&feature=related

[Skyler246]

I usually use shift break when i use two scoop art ground, dodge into the air and do shift break. my opponent tries to dodge the scoop arts and gets hit by shift break

[ShineThatLight]

I usually use shift break when i use two scoop art ground, dodge into the air and do shift break. my opponent tries to dodge the scoop arts and gets hit by shift break

...Wut? you equip Scoop Art? *scratches head*

I just... umm.. i dont know if..
*walks away*

[Dave880]

...Wut? you equip Scoop Art? *scratches head*

I just... umm.. i dont know if..
*walks away*

Its more of a ..../facepalm

[ShineThatLight]

Its more of a ..../facepalm

It didn't make me facepalm, but it actually legitimately confused the hell out of me o_o

[Björk]

Solution 9 can be useful.

[ShineThatLight]

Solution 9 can be useful.

Scoop art =/= S9

S9 is veeeery useful

[NeroMD]

This topic makes me want to facepalm.

[Knocking_you_all_down]

YouTube- Facepalm
But seriously, no Scoop Art. I only used it once for a replay edit where I wanted a ground projectile.

[NeroMD]

Shift break has range for a reason, So you can use it in the Distance. Using it upclose is just asking yourself on getting hit.

Same goes for Jecht shot, It has range so you can use it at a safe distance, You can use both those moves upclose but on veteran play you'll get hit without a doubt.

[MeCz15]

Why would you want to use shift break up close? What are you, a glutton for punishment :confused: :confused: :confused:

In the long run, NeroMD is totally right, the range of shift break is given so that you could utilize it, not to completely ignore it >.>"

Edit:Kudos for Knocking_you_all_down on the Facepalm vid, made me laugh :D :D :D

[Veysey]

Can't see the vids right now but in case it wasn't shown... the most frustrating part of Shift Break while fighting against a Zidane is its suction. It's caught me more than once... dodge just to the outside as the bolts close in and start an attack only to get sucked into the HP damage! GAH!!!

It also has been known to suck me back JUST enough that my attack falls short =/ Charging Jecht Stream and getting sucked back... well... sucks!

As an opponent, I'd say it definitely has its uses. (Truth be told, there aren't many moves in this game that DON'T have decent uses)

(My wife plays Zidane and it's really the only character she plays... so if anyone wants to shed some light on just how far out that suction goes, please let me know >_<)

[Spike]

As far as my experience using Zidane is, the suction is slightly horizontal and vertical but once you fall down of it, you won't be sucked back at it. But if you get hit y the lightnings, then you are truly sucked back. Although there a catch. If you are somehow gets hit by the lightning in the first part of the attack (sorry but I really can't describe it here that well) and somehow you weren't hit by another lightning, you can dodge out before the HP damage (somehow CPUs tend to always dodge out of that).

[jcom909]

I don't use Shift Break unless the guy freezes in the middle of an attack or he gets caught by Coward's Punishment.

[ShineThatLight]

Well Shift Break can be a huge help if the opponent is dashing, or you know the exact range of the furthest lightening pillar, they do massive damage and crit for broken amounts! :D

[Spike]

Well Shift Break can be a huge help if the opponent is dashing, or you know the exact range of the furthest lightening pillar, they do massive damage and crit for broken amounts! :D

Quite true. look at Dave's vids and you'll see insane crit damages just from Shift Break's lightnings

[Kite]

it does do 4x as much damage as Terra's thunder, which was already pretty strong

[ewan08]

ok, i just did it on AI, its about uhm... half (?) of orders sanctuary but the trick is, use it when the opp is about to dash towards you, there's a chance they'll get hit by the lightning..

You could test this out:

Vortex the enemy at the middle of Order's Sanctuary and wall rush them, after that execute Shift Break.. From there you can calculate the distance required for them to get hit by the lightning of Shift Break (If they don't get hit by the lightning, adjust and practice some more with some experimentation)

Hope this helps out a bit :):):)

Is this what your talking about..??

Secrets of Shift Breaks

[Scott]

Nifty. I can't say I ever considered that. It makes me want to play Zidane again.

[Armoxus]

Is this what your talking about..??

Secrets of Shift Breaks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLg5Onc4pZ4)

I think it's pretty known that after a Storm Impulse, you follow up with a Shift Break to try and hit them, depending on where they are.

[Spike]

I think it's pretty known that after a Storm Impulse, you follow up with a Shift Break to try and hit them, depending on where they are.

Sorry for reviving this old topic. But I think following SI with Shift Break is good for gauging and practicing only the max range of Shift break. From my experience, Hitting with SI/Vortex and sending them flying only has a few distances left for Max range. But opponents have controlled recovery which has a high tendency of evading max range.

[Kraid]

I think it's pretty known that after a Storm Impulse, you follow up with a Shift Break to try and hit them, depending on where they are.

This actually works if you Wall Rush your opponent in Ad-Hoc Party. (Dave's done it to me before and is like the only time he ever hit me with Shift Break when using Terra. =( )

[Spike]

This actually works if you Wall Rush your opponent in Ad-Hoc Party. (Dave's done it to me before and is like the only time he ever hit me with Shift Break when using Terra. =( )

Quite true since without Wallrush, Hitting with SB after SI is pretty damn hard due to controlled recovery.