Yu-Gi-Oh!

[Statistic]

Is anybody here a fan of the card game, YuGiOh? I play and was curious if anyone else here did. Discuss!

[LemenEX]

I pretty much am, altho I don't really play it outside of the Tag Force Series, since I cannot be arsed buying all those expensive cards :p

But it's a nice card-game, probably the best out there

[Statistic]

I pretty much am, altho I don't really play it outside of the Tag Force Series, since I cannot be arsed buying all those expensive cards :p

But it's a nice card-game, probably the best out there

The prices on cards have gotten a lot better sense konami bought it back. :]
But some prices are still pretty bad liek the new Archlord Kristya card being 60-80 bucks.
Other then that there's only a couple expensive ones this format. I play Advanced Format. ;P

[LemenEX]

Advanced is soooo much better than Traditional. All those banned cards are there for a reason :P

Altho I don't really like a deck in particular right now. The omnipotence of boring Blackwings and Twilight Decks are boring :(

[pheano]

yugioh sucks
the ban lists are created for profit gain not to balence the game
konami is a teribale company and takes pleasure in trolling teh fan base with bad prize structure, tournaments that are too far away and not worth going to, regionals that dont mean anything since almost everyone gets an invite to nationals and the stupid amount of untested broken cards
-end mini rant-
yes i uesd to play

[Björk]

But it's a nice card-game, probably the best out there

I disagree.

Poker or Whist, anybody?

[Statistic]

yugioh sucks
the ban lists are created for profit gain not to balence the game
konami is a teribale company and takes pleasure in trolling teh fan base with bad prize structure, tournaments that are too far away and not worth going to, regionals that dont mean anything since almost everyone gets an invite to nationals and the stupid amount of untested broken cards
-end mini rant-
yes i uesd to play

I agree with all of this, I really do. And I could understand why these could ruin the game, but one thing Konami does right is make cards reasonably priced for everyone to get. Also not just anybody gets an envite, that I would say you are wrong about. There are some stupid situations where some real bad players would get in, but that doesn't happen all that often. The banlist this format is actually great, the only problem with it is they sort of made it too good for one deck and that would be Lightsworn. If they brought in some new deck types next format, then Lightsworns playability will be cut a lot as it is very sacky and inconsistent. But overall, this had been a good format. It brought up to 6 deck types playable for competitive play rather then the 2-3 usual top decks every format it had.

[Archideas]

http://www.youtube.com/user/cardgamesftw?blend=1&ob=4&rclk=cti

That's the only thing Yugioh is good for. :3

[LemenEX]

I disagree.

Poker or Whist, anybody?

I meant more something like.. in comparison to Magic or something like that

Yea, nothing beats Poker :D

[pheano]

I agree with all of this, I really do. And I could understand why these could ruin the game, but one thing Konami does right is make cards reasonably priced for everyone to get. Also not just anybody gets an envite, that I would say you are wrong about. There are some stupid situations where some real bad players would get in, but that doesn't happen all that often. The banlist this format is actually great, the only problem with it is they sort of made it too good for one deck and that would be Lightsworn. If they brought in some new deck types next format, then Lightsworns playability will be cut a lot as it is very sacky and inconsistent. But overall, this had been a good format. It brought up to 6 deck types playable for competitive play rather then the 2-3 usual top decks every format it had.

i have no problem with the cards being expensive
i used to play lightsworns myself
what i have a problem with is that they make broken cards at a high rarity so the price gets inflated with the intention of banning it as soon as its reprinted so they can squeze every penny out of it
and no your wrong regionals are pointless
only top 8 get anything note worthy and even then the mats are like 20 bucks and the gift card is worthless(imo)
and its like what top 32 get invites and it will get passed down if some one has an invite
last regional i went to which was the second one of the format the top like 50 players got invites
people who went 4-4 got invites
as far as i was concerned it was open nationals
i toped myself and it was pointless
all of the curent decks should take a massive hit with the banlist because they are all broken
the game was not ment to be this face pased and unfair where its more about who draws the better hand not about who is actualy the better player
roughly 60% of the skill has been taken out of the game since the time of PTND
i would have kept playing even with all of that though if it werent for the current prize structure
you spend weeks of preperation for a large scale tourny spend hundrens on a deck and spend close to 8-12 hours at a tourny to win a few booster packs and if your the best you get a fucking mat that no one wants

[Statistic]

i have no problem with the cards being expensive
i used to play lightsworns myself
what i have a problem with is that they make broken cards at a high rarity so the price gets inflated with the intention of banning it as soon as its reprinted so they can squeze every penny out of it
and no your wrong regionals are pointless
only top 8 get anything note worthy and even then the mats are like 20 bucks and the gift card is worthless(imo)
and its like what top 32 get invites and it will get passed down if some one has an invite
last regional i went to which was the second one of the format the top like 50 players got invites
people who went 4-4 got invites
as far as i was concerned it was open nationals
i toped myself and it was pointless
all of the curent decks should take a massive hit with the banlist because they are all broken
the game was not ment to be this face pased and unfair where its more about who draws the better hand not about who is actualy the better player
roughly 60% of the skill has been taken out of the game since the time of PTND
i would have kept playing even with all of that though if it werent for the current prize structure
you spend weeks of preperation for a large scale tourny spend hundrens on a deck and spend close to 8-12 hours at a tourny to win a few booster packs and if your the best you get a fucking mat that no one wants

Clearly you don't participate at SJCs and Worlds. The prizes there are pretty decent.

[LemenEX]

It brought up to 6 deck types playable for competitive play rather then the 2-3 usual top decks every format it had.

I pretty much only see Twilight strong this time. Maybe one or two Chaos and Blackwings, but mostly Twilight :x




you spend weeks of preperation for a large scale tourny spend hundrens on a deck and spend close to 8-12 hours at a tourny to win a few booster packs and if your the best you get a fucking mat that no one wants



That's why things like Tag Force exist..
*massive eye-rollz*

[Statistic]

I pretty much only see Twilight strong this time. Maybe one or two Chaos and Blackwings, but mostly Twilight :x





That's why things like Tag Force exist..
*massive eye-rollz*

Twilight blows dick compared to standard Lightsworn.
Zombies, Absolute Zero, and Blackwing also do well. Infact Zombies and Absolute Zero beat lightsworn when it doesn't draw amazing opening hands. Gladiator Beasts, gadgets do decent still and are playable still yet this format.

[pheano]

Clearly you don't participate at SJCs and Worlds. The prizes there are pretty decent.
no i dont because where they host them is very baised
why would i spend hundred on plane tickets and hotel to go to an sjc that i wouldnt top because i would just get paired against some one like corn after going 5-0 and then my record would bed bad and then i would lose momentum and wouldnt get a win the rest of the day(that happens to me some times) and even if i did top the prizes outside of top 3 are much less than the expense for going

I pretty much only see Twilight strong this time. Maybe one or two Chaos and Blackwings, but mostly Twilight :x





That's why things like Tag Force exist..
*massive eye-rollz*
i really dont give a shit about the games
if i wanted to play fake yugioh id just play YVD

[LemenEX]

Twilight blows dick compared to standard Lightsworn.
Zombies, Absolute Zero, and Blackwing also do well. Infact Zombies and Absolute Zero beat lightsworn when it doesn't draw amazing opening hands. Gladiator Beasts, gadgets do decent still and are playable still yet this format.


You never played the Deck of the Year of TCGPlayer, did ya? It's the most ridiculous deck ever, something this fast and consistent shouldn't exist.
A well build Twilight can beat almost anything within the first 2-3 turns
Should be completly banned xD
Together with all those Lightsworn guys. They are so important nowadays because of the milling, they are used in pretty much ALL decks :s

[pheano]

Twilight blows dick compared to standard Lightsworn.
Zombies, Absolute Zero, and Blackwing also do well. Infact Zombies and Absolute Zero beat lightsworn when it doesn't draw amazing opening hands. Gladiator Beasts, gadgets do decent still and are playable still yet this format.

twilight is amazing in the right hands
most people dont know how to build it right
its a very delicate deck to make and very easily falls apart with minor deck building mistakes

[Statistic]

no i dont because where they host them is very baised
why would i spend hundred on plane tickets and hotel to go to an sjc that i wouldnt top because i would just get paired against some one like corn after going 5-0 and then my record would bed bad and then i would lose momentum and wouldnt get a win the rest of the day(that happens to me some times) and even if i did top the prizes outside of top 3 are much less than the expense for going

i really dont give a shit about the games
if i wanted to play fake yugioh id just play YVD

The hotel part is chump change, that's nothing. but I can understand the price for flying. But that's not an issue for me, my fathers a pilot so I guess it isn't a concern for me, money wise. @_@;

[pheano]

You never played the Deck of the Year of TCGPlayer, did ya? It's the most ridiculous deck ever, something this fast and consistent shouldn't exist.
A well build Twilight can beat almost anything within the first 2-3 turns
Should be completly banned xD
Together with all those Lightsworn guys. They are so important nowadays because of the milling, they are used in pretty much ALL decks :s

i dont go on tcg player i hate the comunity and the mods
could you post a link to the deck list(want to see it its mine)
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The hotel part is chump change, that's nothing. but I can understand the price for flying. But that's not an issue for me, my fathers a pilot so I guess it isn't a concern for me, money wise. @_@;

well thats good for you but you cant judge some one else that doesnt go because they dont have the money to throw around for an sjc across the country

[Statistic]

I'm not judging it, I just think of it as a concern, mainly because it's what I'm use to, but I understand its an issue for others.
Also Twilight can go blow dick, it really is bad. Even when you do build it right it's so inconsistent it isnt even funny. It draws worse then any deck this format. I've tested Twilight for the past 2 formats and let me tell you, its a bitch when you open with a bad hand 5-10 games. Which isn't uncommon with that deck. I like the deck type but it doesnt work well like standard lightsworn, its the best deck this format hands down.

[pheano]

I'm not judging it, I just think of it as a concern, mainly because it's what I'm use to, but I understand its an issue for others.
Also Twilight can go blow dick, it really is bad. Even when you do build it right it's so inconsistent it isnt even funny. It draws worse then any deck this format. I've tested Twilight for the past 2 formats and let me tell you, its a bitch when you open with a bad hand 5-10 games. Which isn't uncommon with that deck. I like the deck type but it doesnt work well like standard lightsworn, its the best deck this format hands down.

if it draws bad then its built wrong
=/
thats what i was just saying

[LemenEX]

i dont go on tcg player i hate the comunity and the mods
could you post a link to the deck list(want to see it its mine)

Don't have the link anymore and Im too lazy finding it.
Got the Decklist tho in TagForce, it's ridiculous. I've beaten all my friends within a max of 3 rounds.

3x Sirocco
3xVaju
1x Jain, LS Paladin
2x Lumina, LS Summoner
3x Lyla, LS Sorceress
2x Mezuki
1x MJar
2x Necro Guardna
1x PSZ
1x Ryko, LS Hunter


2x Allure
3x Burial from a DD
1x Card Destruction
3x Charge of the Light Brigade
2x Foolish Burial
1x Giant Trunade
3 Hand Destruction
1x HS
1x MST
3x Solar Recharge


1x Treacherous Trap Hole

[Fayt]

http://www.youtube.com/user/cardgamesftw?blend=1&ob=4&rclk=cti

That's the only thing Yugioh is good for. :3

I was about to put that lol!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/user/CardGamesFTW

He is awesome!

[Statistic]

if it draws bad then its built wrong
=/
thats what i was just saying

Just because something draws bad doesnt make it built wrong. :/
The deck itself is just bad, that is its problem. it runs so many cards that make your opening hands terrible 80% of the time. trust, i tested twilight for over a year now and it blows compared to standard lightsworn.

[pheano]

Don't have the link anymore and Im too lazy finding it.
Got the Decklist tho in TagForce, it's ridiculous. I've beaten all my friends within a max of 3 rounds.

3x Sirocco
3xVaju
1x Jain, LS Paladin
2x Lumina, LS Summoner
3x Lyla, LS Sorceress
2x Mezuki
1x MJar
2x Necro Guardna
1x PSZ
1x Ryko, LS Hunter


2x Allure
3x Burial from a DD
1x Card Destruction
3x Charge of the Light Brigade
2x Foolish Burial
1x Giant Trunade
3 Hand Destruction
1x HS
1x MST
3x Solar Recharge


1x Treacherous Trap Hole
thats not twilight
thats a mix of vayu sword and zombie sworn
ive seen beter builds

[Statistic]

Don't have the link anymore and Im too lazy finding it.
Got the Decklist tho in TagForce, it's ridiculous. I've beaten all my friends within a max of 3 rounds.

3x Sirocco
3xVaju
1x Jain, LS Paladin
2x Lumina, LS Summoner
3x Lyla, LS Sorceress
2x Mezuki
1x MJar
2x Necro Guardna
1x PSZ
1x Ryko, LS Hunter


2x Allure
3x Burial from a DD
1x Card Destruction
3x Charge of the Light Brigade
2x Foolish Burial
1x Giant Trunade
3 Hand Destruction
1x HS
1x MST
3x Solar Recharge


1x Treacherous Trap Hole

Jain sucks this format
Lumina should always be at 3
Lyla should be at 1-2
Morphing Jar blows so bad here
Necro Gardna should be at 3
PSZ gets raped by zombies and a free synchro summon for them
Giant Trunade is junk
You need My body as a Shield
Where's bottomless trap hole?
Where's torrential tribute?

[LemenEX]

thats not twilight
thats a mix of vayu sword and zombie sworn
ive seen beter builds


Ofc it's not the typical Twilight
It had the Tag "Twilight" tho, irrc, which also quite confused me

Anyways, Twilight is boring nontheless
Ban plx all of LS cards, thx :D


@Statistic: Why the hell do you tell me that? It's not my deck :p

[pheano]

Just because something draws bad doesnt make it built wrong. :/
The deck itself is just bad, that is its problem. it runs so many cards that make your opening hands terrible 80% of the time. trust, i tested twilight for over a year now and it blows compared to standard lightsworn.

yes it does
thats the definition of built wrong if it draws bad
i played twilight and drew good hands roughly...well not to contradict your number but 80%
the only bad hands i got were hands that regular lightsworn would get like solar solar jd honest necro
but those would fix it self in a turn of so
when built right the standard hand is 2 combo cards, 2 finisher cards, 1 lightsworn, 1 honest or 1 dark

[Statistic]

Ofc it's not the typical Twilight
It had the Tag "Twilight" tho, irrc, which also quite confused me

Anyways, Twilight is boring nontheless
Ban plx all of LS cards, thx :D


@Statistic: Why the hell do you tell me that? It's not my deck :p

Just to show how bad the deck was. All lightsworn decks are messed up regardless, all that needs to be touched is JD and itd lose its OTK. Other then that, Lightsworn isnt anything. its easy to get around, very predictable moves, and there oepning turns usually consistent of Lumina + garoth mills to get there engine started. there simple to beat. including twilight, there simple too.

[pheano]

Ofc it's not the typical Twilight
It had the Tag "Twilight" tho, irrc, which also quite confused me

Anyways, Twilight is boring nontheless
Ban plx all of LS cards, thx :D


@Statistic: Why the hell do you tell me that? It's not my deck :p

the only thing they need to to to sworns is
ban:
judgment dragon: i need no explanation its a broken card
limit:
wulf: now this is a card that isnt broken, its a love hate card since you either draw it of mill it but i like to remove the sack factor when i can and i just hate seeing the deck win because it mills two of these and the opponent looses to much card advantege getting rid of them
semilimit:
honest: at 2 it makes it alot more fair and removes honest OTK's
cotlb: this card is so good but the engin does need it, at two it makes the deck alittle slower
lumina: not broken just should be at 2 so its less abused

[LemenEX]

I don't mean banning it because they are broken. But banning it, because they kill the deck-building fun. SooooOOooOoOooOoooooooooooo many decks are running a LS-enginge, it's not even funny. There might be some exceptions, like the awesome Fortune-Ladies/Simorgh deck one guy built, but yea, it's boring seeing at least 2-3 LS being in EVERY deck. Usually even freaking more
Needs moar themes :3

[Statistic]

the only thing they need to to to sworns is
ban:
judgment dragon: i need no explanation its a broken card
limit:
wulf: now this is a card that isnt broken, its a love hate card since you either draw it of mill it but i like to remove the sack factor when i can and i just hate seeing the deck win because it mills two of these and the opponent looses to much card advantege getting rid of them
semilimit:
honest: at 2 it makes it alot more fair and removes honest OTK's
cotlb: this card is so good but the engin does need it, at two it makes the deck alittle slower
lumina: not broken just should be at 2 so its less abused
I disagree with this 100%. Why hit half the deck if JD is banned? That's killing the deck right there. Keep a deck playable, just take whats broken out of it and leave it be. It's changes and fixes like this that creates a terrible list. While you bitch about the list being bad you make bad changes to it yourself, not trying to be a dick, but its true.
Keep honest at 3, it has no real use outside of lightsworn varients.
CotLB is fine at 3, its the engine starter, sure, but without JD its uses just got hindered a lot.
Lumina is a perfectly balanced card and should be kept at 3. no reason to touch a perfectly fine card.
Wulf is one of the worst cards in the deck, its what causes the deck to be so inconsistent. It being at 3 is perfectly fine.
JD to 1 or banned is fine though.

[Lord Phol]

Never played the real thing, but have a secret crush on the GBA games. They're soooo good, and I have kind of thing for card games ^^.
Of all the card games I've played though, Yu-gi-oh is a clear favorite. Both in its card-design, and the way it mixes simple gameplay with advanced tactics.

[pheano]

I don't mean banning it because they are broken. But banning it, because they kill the deck-building fun. SooooOOooOoOooOoooooooooooo many decks are running a LS-enginge, it's not even funny. There might be some exceptions, like the awesome Fortune-Ladies/Simorgh deck one guy built, but yea, it's boring seeing at least 2-3 LS being in EVERY deck. Usually even freaking more
Needs moar themes :3

well some lightsworns are just splasible
a ryko here and there never hurt anyone

[Reaperfan]

I still play, unfortunately I never had the money for the more expensive deck builds. However this gives the opportunity to try not-so-popular decks. I've worked with Arcana Force, Venom, Six Samurai, and (my personal favorite) Cloudians :D. I'm currently running my Cloudians, and am one of the only people I know that uses them.

[pheano]

I disagree with this 100%. Why hit half the deck if JD is banned? That's killing the deck right there. Keep a deck playable, just take whats broken out of it and leave it be. It's changes and fixes like this that creates a terrible list. While you bitch about the list being bad you make bad changes to it yourself, not trying to be a dick, but its true.
Keep honest at 3, it has no real use outside of lightsworn varients.
CotLB is fine at 3, its the engine starter, sure, but without JD its uses just got hindered a lot.
Lumina is a perfectly balanced card and should be kept at 3. no reason to touch a perfectly fine card.
Wulf is one of the worst cards in the deck, its what causes the deck to be so inconsistent. It being at 3 is perfectly fine.
JD to 1 or banned is fine though.

wulf is a bad card but the sack factor isnt fair
the deck is still viable with no jd, it becomes a deck based on celestia and POA card advantage, it works really nicely
and at the rest going to 2 its just to slow it down abit, there was even a potential banlist that looked just like that last year that was leaked by accident which was the prototype of the actual banlist and it was widely accepted by the yugioh comunity

[OkamiPT]

lol There is a Simple thing About Yugioh.

First you cant compare Yugioh with Poker...its Stupid =D because Poker is 100% Luck and Bluffing and Yugioh you can Malipulate your Luck (aka Stack xD) and it has a bit of Strategy (JUST A BIT but it has more if you play a Non-Tier Deck )

Second Konami's Guilt in something. They Dont really test the cards if you notice that they really dont test them and one example of that is called Dark Strike Fighter....for those who play know how powerful was this card. I think they made the card like this and release it...so yeah that's much about Yugioh make broken stuff and Dont test. Or they make stupid Stuff with No absolutely freaking Sense xD.

Anyways want a Alternative of this? Play Battle Spirits xD


wulf is a bad card but the sack factor isnt fair
the deck is still viable with no jd, it becomes a deck based on celestia and POA card advantage, it works really nicely
and at the rest going to 2 its just to slow it down abit, there was even a potential banlist that looked just like that last year that was leaked by accident which was the prototype of the actual banlist and it was widely accepted by the yugioh comunity

This new Banlist is really getting interesting to wait and See what will come of it because most of the Lightsworn Main cards will Maybe get Limitations but No Bans...My Guess would be

Limited
Judgment Dragon
Celestia

Semi
Necro Gardna
Honest
Charge
Solar

that's my Guess but yeah many things will change...I just hope they Ban Brionac -.- He should never came to the TCG

[Statistic]

lol There is a Simple thing About Yugioh.

First you cant compare Yugioh with Poker...its Stupid =D because Poker is 100% Luck and Bluffing and Yugioh you can Malipulate your Luck (aka Stack xD) and it has a bit of Strategy (JUST A BIT but it has more if you play a Non-Tier Deck )

Second Konami's Guilt in something. They Dont really test the cards if you notice that they really dont test them and one example of that is called Dark Strike Fighter....for those who play know how powerful was this card. I think they made the card like this and release it...so yeah that's much about Yugioh make broken stuff and Dont test. Or they make stupid Stuff with No absolutely freaking Sense xD.

Anyways want a Alternative of this? Play Battle Spirits xD



This new Banlist is really getting interesting to wait and See what will come of it because most of the Lightsworn Main cards will Maybe get Limitations but No Bans...My Guess would be

Limited
Judgment Dragon
Celestia

Semi
Necro Gardna
Honest
Charge
Solar

that's my Guess but yeah many things will change...I just hope they Ban Brionac -.- He should never came to the TCG

Nothing in LS needs to be touched but JD, the rest of the cards are balanced, jsut because a deck works without doesnt mean it wins like it use to. Without JD LS wont go anywhere but mill itself to death with no real accurate win condition but rely on Celestia as a beatstick that gets outclassed by most cards in the format. When JD goes bye bye, so does the playability of LS.

[pheano]

i was just talking about ls but ya brio should get the hammer

[OkamiPT]

Nothing in LS needs to be touched but JD, the rest of the cards are balanced, jsut because a deck works without doesnt mean it wins like it use to. Without JD LS wont go anywhere but mill itself to death with no real accurate win condition but rely on Celestia as a beatstick that gets outclassed by most cards in the format. When JD goes bye bye, so does the playability of LS.

Nope....Lightsworn Without JD are Strong anyways they dont to Much OTKs but they Still can kick your ass...besides

KrystiaSworn
FlamvellSworn
Twilight
Any other Good deck that Still uses the Lightsworn Engine

[pheano]

i dont think that the stuff neds to get limited really just a few semi'd to slow it down

[Statistic]

Nope....Lightsworn Without JD are Strong anyways they dont to Much OTKs but they Still can kick you ass...besides

KrystiaSworn
FlamvellSworn
Twilight
Any other Good deck that Still uses the Lightsworn Engine

All those engines fail too, there never on the top 8 decklists of sjcs for a reason :/ they blow dick.
Lightsworns without JD doesnt work, it gets off some wins, but it isnt liek it was with JD, its whole purpose is dead now and cant be played right. if your winning with lightsworn without JD then your opponents you are versing must suck pretty bad..

[OkamiPT]

i dont think that the stuff neds to get limited really just a few semi'd to slow it down


Humm It depends...but just Limiting JD wont Make LS THAT weak


All those engines fail too, there never on the top 8 decklists of sjcs for a reason :/ they blow dick.
Lightsworns without JD doesnt work, it gets off some wins, but it isnt liek it was with JD, its whole purpose is dead now and cant be played right. if your winning with lightsworn without JD then your opponents you are versing must suck pretty bad..

Talk to Holy Light about that! =D

and LOL if a deck is good depending on SJCs then you are Netdecker (joking ;p I just dont like people deciding good decks Through SJCs) =D. SJCs are good to checkout decks but you Still have to be a Good Player to Know How to play with it. That only means that the ones that went with them they arent used to the Deck.

Anyways because on the Edge of Blackwings Togores won with it against All Types of LS but that didnt made Blackwings a Better deck. The deck is a Tool....the player is the one that knows how to use the Tool

[Statistic]

Humm It depends...but just Limiting JD wont Make LS THAT weak

Bottomless Trap Hole
my body as a Shield
Archlord Kristya
Chaos Sorcerer
Dark Armed Dragon

Yeah, it hurts the deck a fuck ton. :/

[Kraid]

yugioh sucks
the ban lists are created for profit gain not to balence the game


Are you blind AND stupid? How the hell does the ban list create profit for Konami?

Konami don't give two shits about the secondary market. They profit from NOTHING with the Ban List. They profit from shops and warehouses buying bundles of boxes from them, but they need to STAY IN BUSINESS somehow.

I play Yu-gi-oh. Still do. Used to play Magic until recently where MTG looks..... well if a game makes Yu-gi-oh look Good, it's BECOME BAD.

As for cards that Pheano put for banned and restricted:

Judgement Dragon: Eh.... I'm not sure actually. It's actually a better idea to probably restrict Beckoning Light. Lightsworn is about lucksacking. (Considering I play Lightsworn ever since it came out AND STILL DO.) JD can only go in one deck also: Lightsworn or Lightsworn varients such as Twilight. Honestly: DAD is more broken than this.

Wulf: Lol. Bad draw is bad draw. If you feel Wulf should be limited, then you should limit every single card that can special summon easily like The Tricky, Instant Fusion or such like. If Wulf is in your hand, it's useless. I find myself swapping between 1-3 Wulfs depending on who I'm playing anyways.

Honest: Eh... I'm going be a little biased, since most my decks are light based. VERY powerful in Lightsworn, but loses it's immense power if Beckoning Light is restricted. It then allows it to be played in more viable decks such as Counter Fairies. I see this card getting either Restricted or not touched at all. Definately not Semi.

Charge of the Light Brigade: I only use Two in my deck. Sure I know three is staple mostly, but I find after using only only Charge, I get pretty much all I need. Plus most the time I mill my Charges even at 2. At 3, it's at least playable.

Lumina: You say Lumina is NOT Broken, but you want to Semi her and Limit Wulf instead?! WHAT THE HELL?! If Lumina was banned or even restricted, Lightsworn would FALL APART. And that's without the others in the list being mentioned. Lumina and Judgement Dragon are what makes Lightsworn... well... Lightsworn.

Clearly you have no understanding of this game. Or at least Lightsworn anyways. =/


Now onto better news: Yea I was thinking of starting this topic up myself. But I kinda been to busy to set it up. However I present to you guys: Fortune Ladies!

Er.... rather the scrubishly build of Fortune Ladies right now.

I'll post up KristyaSworn and Counter Fairies later. But Really this deck right now is the one I really want input on.


2 Tragoedia
1 Fortune Lady Earth
3 Fortune Lady Dark

1 Chaos Sorceror

3 Fortune Lady Light
1 Fortune Lady Fire
1 Fortune Lady Wind
2 Fortune Lady Water
1 Cyber Valley
1 Kinka-Byo (May be removed)
1 Plaguespreader Zombie
1 Mist Valley Shaman
1 Blackwind - Gale of the Hurricane (May replace with another Mist Valley Shaman.)
1 Summoner Monk
1 Magical Exemplar
2 Thunder King Rai-oh
1 Flamvell Magician

2 Allure of Darkness
2 Fortune's Future
2 Future Visions
1 Gold Sarcophagus
1 Heavy Storm
1 Brain Control
1 Mystical Space Typhoon
1 One for One
1 Mind Control
2 Magical Dimension

2 Compulsory Evacuation Devices
1 Torrential Tribute
1 Mirror Force
1 Solemn Judgment
1 Call of the Haunted

So you may be thinking: Kraid, what on earth? Not only did you not list the Synchros, but This looks scrubby. And that's because... it is. However it does have a high win ratio. However I will admit that there's way more cards than I want... with 44 cards. And I'm disgusted with myself for playing that many cards outside of Fifth Gadget.

Oh and as for the Synchros: It's pretty obvious really. I'm open to the ideas of what synchros to use, but I use the main ones including Arcanite and Tempest for obvious reasons.

So here's a few notes on what's in the deck and why:

Tragoedia: Self Explinatory. This deck has amazing draw power with Lady Water, Fortune Future and such like. And with the many different levels this deck has, I can take control of so many monsters.... providing I draw them of course.

Lady Earth: This... was more of a tech pick than an actual impulse to use it. My main competition is a Timmy, someone who likes to play big monsters effectively and quickly. As such he plays both Green and Yellow Baboon and usually ends up squishing my Lady Darks with them. While I do have Tragoedia also, there are times when my hand will be empty and I want a big monster that isn't a Lady Dark.

Lady Dark and Lady Light: Self Explinatory. There's no Fortune Lady deck out there that doesn't use three copies of each of these.

Lady Wind and Lady Fire: I'm only playing a single copy of each because honestly, I don't want to draw Fire and I find very limited uses for Wind. So only a single copy of each of them.

Cyber Valley: Yes I'm playing one single Cyber Valley. If I knew where my others were, I might have tried to make space for them but I simply don't. Really useful, can be used to end a battle phase or let me draw cards. I know it doesn't work with Lady Light, but it DOES work with Mind Control. One for One is useful with it also. Being able to draw two cards is nice aswell.

Kinka-Byo: I'll probably remove this, but essentially it allows me to recycle the use of Lady Light if she hits my graveyard. One time use only, but really nice as Kinka-Byo's summon can essentially be the difference between Winning and Losing. And it has nice synergy with Future Visions aswell.

Mist Valley Shaman: I need to check the rulings on this. But from what I read about it, it works like this: any turn: One for One Lady Light from deck. Mist Valley Shaman, return Light, search for any monster and synchro for any monster between the levels of 4-9 (Including Gottoms.)

Summoner Monk: Seems like a useless idea with no Rescue Cat... until you see what level 4's I've put in. Can search for something for an appriopate situation. Got lots of spells? Exemplar let's me re-special summon stuff. got a Fortune Lady on the field? Summoner Monk acts as a "Discard a spell, draw two" since Lady Water is level 4. Need a instant Stardust Dragon, Flamvell Magician....

Thunder King Rai-oh: It's a level 4 and a Light type. However the ability to stop searchers is invaluable in my area, as is the ability to stop a special summon due to the vast amount of people who rely on synchros or DAD or JD to turn the game around.

Flamvell Magician: Another weird choice at first. However with Summoner Monk, that's an instant level 8 synchro. Combine this with the fact that it's got 1400 attack, enough to duck under Bottomless Traphole, and that Stardust Dragon NEGATES Bottomless Traphole.... yea. I think you know where I'm going with this.

Fortune's Future: Seems like a staple card for Fortune Ladies. Experimenting with this card has proven some results: It can be a dead draw at time. My original build used two, but two was dead. Then I added more RFG stuff, and it seems alot better now. I wouldn't go for three because honestly, I never get in a situation with this deck where I CAN use Three.

Future Visions: Another one I should play three in. Infact I should be playing Three AND a Terraforming. However when past experiences have always left me with a dead Future Visions in my hand.... I should at least play one Terraforming for Deck Thinning though.

One for One: An amazzzzzzzzzzzzzing card. I love it as it gets me Fortune Lady Light or Cyber Valley. While I have to discard a monster card to search, the ability to be able to get either of those two out in this deck is just something you cannot ignore.

Magical Dimension: Works really well with Light. Two ways of using it that can get Light's Effect. Not only that, but if Light isn't out, you can use it instead to special summon Dark AND destroy an opponent's meddlesome monster such as DAD or JD.

Gold Sacrophagus: Early game: Gets me what I need, like Tragoedia for pressure or Mist Valley Shaman to set up One for One. Late game: Discard a card, send a Fortune Lady card from your deck to the graveyard, Draw two cards.

Compulsory Evacuation Device: While D.D. Gate may be better than Compulsory, Compulsory has some amazing effects. A) I don't own a D.D. Gate. B) It allows me to remove opponent's Synchro monsters or other troublesome cards. C) Works well with Lady Light (Incase you didn't know.) Very chainable.

Why no Witch of Fate and Catoblepas: I've tested this out. It just doesn't help AT ALL.

Bottomless Trapholes: I have no space. =(

[Statistic]

THANK YOU KRAID! Someone with an understanding of LS besides me. >_>
Also not too familiar with Fortune Lady, sorry. Been meaning to try them out, they seemed like a lot of fun.

Also here's my LS Deck,:

Necro Gardna
Necro Gardna
Necro Gardna
Celestia, Lightsworn Angel
Celestia, Lightsworn Angel
Celestia, Lightsworn Angel
Honest
Honest
Honest
Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner
Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner
Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner
Wulf, Lightsworn Beast
Wulf, Lightsworn Beast
Lyla, Lightsworn Sorceress
Lyla, Lightsworn Sorceress
Judgment Dragon
Judgment Dragon
Garoth, Lightsworn Warrior
Garoth, Lightsworn Warrior
Archlord Kristya
Aurkus, Lightsworn Druid
Ryko, Lightsworn hunter

Solar Recharge
Solar Recharge
Solar Recharge
Charge of the Light Brigade
Charge of the Light Brigade
Charge of the Light Brigade
Gold Sarcophagus
Gold Sarcophagus
Heavy Storm
Mystical Space Typhoon
My Body as a Shield

Beckoning Light
Beckoning Light
Beckoning Light
Bottomless Trap Hole
Bottomless Trap Hole
Torrential Tribute

[OkamiPT]

Are you blind AND stupid? How the hell does the ban list create profit for Konami?

Konami don't give two shits about the secondary market. They profit from NOTHING with the Ban List. They profit from shops and warehouses buying bundles of boxes from them, but they need to STAY IN BUSINESS somehow.

I play Yu-gi-oh. Still do. Used to play Magic until recently where MTG looks..... well if a game makes Yu-gi-oh look Good, it's BECOME BAD.

As for cards that Pheano put for banned and restricted:

Judgement Dragon: Eh.... I'm not sure actually. It's actually a better idea to probably restrict Beckoning Light. Lightsworn is about lucksacking. (Considering I play Lightsworn ever since it came out AND STILL DO.) JD can only go in one deck also: Lightsworn or Lightsworn varients such as Twilight. Honestly: DAD is more broken than this.

Dark Armed Dragon is Broken Yes but I dont think that DaD is more broken than JD...But it will become After Starlight Road comes out then its going to be a DaD wins and JD Fails

Wulf: Lol. Bad draw is bad draw. If you feel Wulf should be limited, then you should limit every single card that can special summon easily like The Tricky, Instant Fusion or such like. If Wulf is in your hand, it's useless. I find myself swapping between 1-3 Wulfs depending on who I'm playing anyways.

Let Wulf Alone...he is a Fail Draw and people normaly Use 2 Wulfs but some use 3 so they will get Epic Fail Hands xD

Honest: Eh... I'm going be a little biased, since most my decks are light based. VERY powerful in Lightsworn, but loses it's immense power if Beckoning Light is restricted. It then allows it to be played in more viable decks such as Counter Fairies. I see this card getting either Restricted or not touched at all. Definately not Semi.

Honest Helps Light Based Decks...LS, Lightcity, Arcana, Counter Fairies...Anyway Broken card is Broken and it has a reprint that is almost Free

Charge of the Light Brigade: I only use Two in my deck. Sure I know three is staple mostly, but I find after using only only Charge, I get pretty much all I need. Plus most the time I mill my Charges even at 2. At 3, it's at least playable.

If you have a Hand with Charge and you use it and you drop a Garoth...then pick Lumina discard necto and Summon Garoth xD there you go the most broken Hand eva! >_<. Charge going to 2 its the best

Lumina: You say Lumina is NOT Broken, but you want to Semi her and Limit Wulf instead?! WHAT THE HELL?! If Lumina was banned or even restricted, Lightsworn would FALL APART. And that's without the others in the list being mentioned. Lumina and Judgement Dragon are what makes Lightsworn... well... Lightsworn.

Lumina to 1 is the Death of LS....Period xD



There is Some True into this. Of Course Konami doesnt Profit on Banlists but they are a key to lead people to buy the expensive stuff Still it doesnt do a damn thing to their Profit ( MOst of their Profit is to make Sucky ass Videogames -.- shame on them). About the LS... Up!





Now onto better news: Yea I was thinking of starting this topic up myself. But I kinda been to busy to set it up. However I present to you guys: Fortune Ladies!

Er.... rather the scrubishly build of Fortune Ladies right now.

I'll post up KristyaSworn and Counter Fairies later. But Really this deck right now is the one I really want input on.


2 Tragoedia
1 Fortune Lady Earth
3 Fortune Lady Dark

1 Chaos Sorceror

3 Fortune Lady Light
1 Fortune Lady Fire
1 Fortune Lady Wind
2 Fortune Lady Water
1 Cyber Valley
1 Kinka-Byo (May be removed)
1 Plaguespreader Zombie
1 Mist Valley Shaman
1 Blackwind - Gale of the Hurricane (May replace with another Mist Valley Shaman.)
1 Summoner Monk
1 Magical Exemplar
2 Thunder King Rai-oh
1 Flamvell Magician

2 Allure of Darkness
2 Fortune's Future
2 Future Visions
1 Gold Sarcophagus
1 Heavy Storm
1 Brain Control
1 Mystical Space Typhoon
1 One for One
1 Mind Control
2 Magical Dimension

2 Compulsory Evacuation Devices
1 Torrential Tribute
1 Mirror Force
1 Solemn Judgment
1 Call of the Haunted

So you may be thinking: Kraid, what on earth? Not only did you not list the Synchros, but This looks scrubby. And that's because... it is. However it does have a high win ratio. However I will admit that there's way more cards than I want... with 44 cards. And I'm disgusted with myself for playing that many cards outside of Fifth Gadget.

Oh and as for the Synchros: It's pretty obvious really. I'm open to the ideas of what synchros to use, but I use the main ones including Arcanite and Tempest for obvious reasons.

So here's a few notes on what's in the deck and why:

Tragoedia: Self Explinatory. This deck has amazing draw power with Lady Water, Fortune Future and such like. And with the many different levels this deck has, I can take control of so many monsters.... providing I draw them of course.

Lady Earth: This... was more of a tech pick than an actual impulse to use it. My main competition is a Timmy, someone who likes to play big monsters effectively and quickly. As such he plays both Green and Yellow Baboon and usually ends up squishing my Lady Darks with them. While I do have Tragoedia also, there are times when my hand will be empty and I want a big monster that isn't a Lady Dark.

Lady Dark and Lady Light: Self Explinatory. There's no Fortune Lady deck out there that doesn't use three copies of each of these.

Lady Wind and Lady Fire: I'm only playing a single copy of each because honestly, I don't want to draw Fire and I find very limited uses for Wind. So only a single copy of each of them.

Cyber Valley: Yes I'm playing one single Cyber Valley. If I knew where my others were, I might have tried to make space for them but I simply don't. Really useful, can be used to end a battle phase or let me draw cards. I know it doesn't work with Lady Light, but it DOES work with Mind Control. One for One is useful with it also. Being able to draw two cards is nice aswell.

Kinka-Byo: I'll probably remove this, but essentially it allows me to recycle the use of Lady Light if she hits my graveyard. One time use only, but really nice as Kinka-Byo's summon can essentially be the difference between Winning and Losing. And it has nice synergy with Future Visions aswell.

Mist Valley Shaman: I need to check the rulings on this. But from what I read about it, it works like this: any turn: One for One Lady Light from deck. Mist Valley Shaman, return Light, search for any monster and synchro for any monster between the levels of 4-9 (Including Gottoms.)

Summoner Monk: Seems like a useless idea with no Rescue Cat... until you see what level 4's I've put in. Can search for something for an appriopate situation. Got lots of spells? Exemplar let's me re-special summon stuff. got a Fortune Lady on the field? Summoner Monk acts as a "Discard a spell, draw two" since Lady Water is level 4. Need a instant Stardust Dragon, Flamvell Magician....

Thunder King Rai-oh: It's a level 4 and a Light type. However the ability to stop searchers is invaluable in my area, as is the ability to stop a special summon due to the vast amount of people who rely on synchros or DAD or JD to turn the game around.

Flamvell Magician: Another weird choice at first. However with Summoner Monk, that's an instant level 8 synchro. Combine this with the fact that it's got 1400 attack, enough to duck under Bottomless Traphole, and that Stardust Dragon NEGATES Bottomless Traphole.... yea. I think you know where I'm going with this.

Fortune's Future: Seems like a staple card for Fortune Ladies. Experimenting with this card has proven some results: It can be a dead draw at time. My original build used two, but two was dead. Then I added more RFG stuff, and it seems alot better now. I wouldn't go for three because honestly, I never get in a situation with this deck where I CAN use Three.

Future Visions: Another one I should play three in. Infact I should be playing Three AND a Terraforming. However when past experiences have always left me with a dead Future Visions in my hand.... I should at least play one Terraforming for Deck Thinning though.

One for One: An amazzzzzzzzzzzzzing card. I love it as it gets me Fortune Lady Light or Cyber Valley. While I have to discard a monster card to search, the ability to be able to get either of those two out in this deck is just something you cannot ignore.

Magical Dimension: Works really well with Light. Two ways of using it that can get Light's Effect. Not only that, but if Light isn't out, you can use it instead to special summon Dark AND destroy an opponent's meddlesome monster such as DAD or JD.

Gold Sacrophagus: Early game: Gets me what I need, like Tragoedia for pressure or Mist Valley Shaman to set up One for One. Late game: Discard a card, send a Fortune Lady card from your deck to the graveyard, Draw two cards.

Compulsory Evacuation Device: While D.D. Gate may be better than Compulsory, Compulsory has some amazing effects. A) I don't own a D.D. Gate. B) It allows me to remove opponent's Synchro monsters or other troublesome cards. C) Works well with Lady Light (Incase you didn't know.) Very chainable.

Why no Witch of Fate and Catoblepas: I've tested this out. It just doesn't help AT ALL.

Bottomless Trapholes: I have no space. =(


Oh Wait i didnt noticed her xD.

Anyway you want Space I can give you Space :P

-1 Earth
-1 One for One (Side Deck...I tested at Main and it doesnt Help that Much as you seem to talk but that is just me)
+2 Bth =D

[pheano]

Are you blind AND stupid? How the hell does the ban list create profit for Konami?Konami don't give two shits about the secondary market. They profit from NOTHING with the Ban List. They profit from shops and warehouses buying bundles of boxes from them, but they need to STAY IN BUSINESS somehow.
look at the timing of reprints, when sets go out of print and timing of ban lists
seriously dude don't be a d bag just because you don't pay attention
i know my yugioh market i used to hang out with store managers and people that bought and sold yugioh cards and i did too
yes konami has made it very obvious they don't care about the secondary market



I play Yu-gi-oh. Still do. Used to play Magic until recently where MTG looks..... well if a game makes Yu-gi-oh look Good, it's BECOME BAD.

i used to play mtg too i could never get into it longer for a few months at a time too slow for my tastes


As for cards that Pheano put for banned and restricted:

Judgement Dragon: Eh.... I'm not sure actually. It's actually a better idea to probably restrict Beckoning Light. Lightsworn is about luck sacking. (Considering I play Lightsworn ever since it came out AND STILL DO.) JD can only go in one deck also: Lightsworn or Lightsworn variants such as Twilight. Honestly: DAD is more broken than this.i played lightsworn since the introduction in japan
that brings up an interesting point
that would probably hurt allot more than taking jd, i think the best option would be putting beck at 1 rein at 1 and jd at 1, playable not broken
given the nature of what konami puts on the list they tend to just do the simplest thing and just ban the obvious card like jd and don't care if the deck still works
and obviously dad is more broken but this isnt a dad vs jd discussion
they should both be banned


Wulf: Lol. Bad draw is bad draw. If you feel Wulf should be limited, then you should limit every single card that can special summon easily like The Tricky, Instant Fusion or such like. If Wulf is in your hand, it's useless. I find myself swapping between 1-3 Wulfs depending on who I'm playing anyways.
fuck i already said its not broken i just disagree with the luck factor that it presents into the game
players shouldn't win because they milled 2 wulfs and a necro on their first turn and now the gladiator deck cant make a come back
its just bad for the game
fuck

Honest: Eh... I'm going be a little biased, since most my decks are light based. VERY powerful in Lightsworn, but loses it's immense power if Beckoning Light is restricted. It then allows it to be played in more viable decks such as Counter Fairies. I see this card getting either Restricted or not touched at all. Definitely not Semi.
well if beck went to 1 i don't think there would be a need to semi this but i don't think putting it at 1 is necessary
the only reason i said putting it at 2 is so you cant otk with it

Charge of the Light Brigade: I only use Two in my deck. Sure I know three is staple mostly, but I find after using only only Charge, I get pretty much all I need. Plus most the time I mill my Charges even at 2. At 3, it's at least playable.
no comment on you using 2, it you deck
yes at 2 it doesn't do allot to the deck you will barely notice but it will slow it down a touch since opening with cotlb just made the deck what it is today

Lumina: You say Lumina is NOT Broken, but you want to Semi her and Limit Wulf instead?! WHAT THE HELL?! If Lumina was banned or even restricted, Lightsworn would FALL APART. And that's without the others in the list being mentioned. Lumina and Judgement Dragon are what makes Lightsworn... well... Lightsworn.
it still works at 2
I've played 2 before it works because of cotlb
at 2 it makes it so some ftk decks don't work and it makes the ls deck slower
my main goal with the minor restrictions was to hinder the speed of the deck

Clearly you have no understanding of this game. Or at least Lightsworn anyways. =/
then why was i one of the most respected lightsworn players on pojo and people would ask me how to play the deck and people would net deck me




2 Tragoedia
3 Fortune Lady Dark

2 Chaos Sorceror

3 Fortune Lady Light
1 Fortune Lady Fire
2 Fortune Lady Water
1 Cyber Valley
1 Kinka-Byo (May be removed)
1 Plaguespreader Zombie
1 Mist Valley Shaman
1 Blackwind - Gale of the Hurricane (May replace with another Mist Valley Shaman.)
1 Summoner Monk
2 Thunder King Rai-oh

2 Allure of Darkness
2 Fortune's Future
2 Future Visions
2 Gold Sarcophagus
1 Heavy Storm
1 Brain Control
1 Mystical Space Typhoon
1 One for One
2 Mind Control
2 Magical Dimension

2 Compulsory Evacuation Devices
1 Torrential Tribute
1 Mirror Force
1 Solemn Judgment
1 Call of the Haunted
made a few fixes above
just a few minor ones
not sure about the deck count though i didn't check just make sure its 40
heres a list i use going by a japanese ruling that cyber vally doesn't work with lighty
i hear they never made that rule in america so i might change it

Monsters: 19
3 Fortune Lady Darky
3 Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter
2 Fortune Lady Watery
2 Dimensional Alchemist
2 Chaos Sorcerer
1 D.D. Warrior Lady
1 Fortune Lady Lighty
1 Sangan
1 Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind
1 Plague Spreader Zombie
1 Cyber Dragon
1 Dark Armed Dragon

Magic: 13
3 Fortune Future
2 Allure of Darkness
2 Gold Sarcophagus
2 Book of Moon
1 Brain Control
1 Mind Control
1 Heavy Storm
1 Scapegoat

Traps: 8
2 Compulsory Evacuation Device
1 Call of the Haunted
1 Mirror Force
1 Torrential Tribute
1 Trap Dustshoot
1 Solemn Judgment
1 Return From the Different Dimension

Side: 15
2 Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer
2 Mirror of Oaths
2 Breaker the Magical Warrior
2 Dust Tornado
2 D.D. Crow
3 Macroo Cosmos
1 D.D.R.
1 Mystical Space Typoon

Extra: 15
1 Mist Wurm
2 Stardust Dragon
1 Thought Ruller Archfiend
1 Collosal Fighter
1 Red Dragon Archfiend
1 Black Rose Dragon
1 Blackwing Armor Master
1 X-Saber Urbellum
1 Arcanite Magician
1 Goyo Guardian
1 Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier
1 Magical Android
1 Ally of Justice Catastor
1 Armory Arm


the side deck is out of date but this was made a while ago
=== Double post was automatically merged. ===
and i do play lightsworns
my two decks from the begining of the format when i still played

Standard sworn:
3|Lodt|Celestia, Lightsworn Angel
2|Lodt|Wulf, Lightsworn Beast
1|Lodt|Garoth, Lightsworn Warrior
1|Lodt|Jain, Lightsworn Paladin
2|Lodt|Lyla, Lightsworn Sorceress
1|Lodt|Ehren, Lightsworn Monk
1|Lodt|Aurkus, Lightsworn Druid
3|Lodt|Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner
1|Lodt|Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter
2|Lodt|Judgment Dragon
3|Lodt|Honest
3|Taev|Necro Gardna
1|Csoc|Plaguespreader Zombie
3|Lodt|Solar Recharge
3|Tdgs|Charge of the Light Brigade
2|Sjcs|Gold Sarcophagus
1|Mrd|Heavy Storm
1|Mrd|Mirror Force
1|Lon|Torrential Tribute
1|Pgd|Trap Dustshoot
2|Cp04|Bottomless Trap Hole
2|Ast|Beckoning Light


Twilight:
2|Lodt|Celestia, Lightsworn Angel
1|Lodt|Garoth, Lightsworn Warrior
2|Lodt|Jain, Lightsworn Paladin
2|Lodt|Lyla, Lightsworn Sorceress
1|Lodt|Ehren, Lightsworn Monk
1|Lodt|Aurkus, Lightsworn Druid
3|Lodt|Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner
1|Lodt|Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter
2|Lodt|Judgment Dragon
2|Lodt|Honest
3|Taev|Necro Gardna
1|Csoc|Plaguespreader Zombie
1|Ioc|Chaos Sorcerer
1|Dlg1|Gorz the Emissary of Darkness
1|Mrd|Sangan
3|Lodt|Solar Recharge
3|Tdgs|Charge of the Light Brigade
2|Rds|Monster Reincarnation
1|Sjcs|Gold Sarcophagus
1|Mrd|Heavy Storm
1|Mrd|Mirror Force
1|Lon|Torrential Tribute
1|Pgd|Trap Dustshoot
2|Cp04|Bottomless Trap Hole
1|Ast|Beckoning Light

[Kraid]

Statstic: I like the fixes. But honestly, and I'm not trying to be one of those people who want fixes, then find a flaw in everything, Earth and One for One are actually more for the fact that my local environment plays stuff that... well actually inherit them. I'll attempt it, but I still need to fix the 44 card monstrosity.

I'll probably replace a Kinka or something. I really find the Kinka doesn't pull it's weight. I'll give it a few days playtesting first. I'll also try your fixes and see how it works.

As for you Pheano: Here's all the holes I could pick out. Honestly I couldn't understand most your posts: It's pretty piss poor english.


look at the timing of reprints, when sets go out of print and timing of banlists
seriously dude dont be a d bag just because you dont pay attention
i know my yugioh market i used to hang out with store managers and people that bought and sold yugioh cards and i did too
yes konami has made it very obvious they dont care about the secondary market


This may come as a surprise to you: But I also help out with Yu-gi-oh at a Store that I constantly help organize tournaments in and help the Store Manager there aswell. Not only that, but I also know other Tournament organizers aswell.

What does this prove? Jack shit. It just knows I know the right people.



i played lightsworn since the introduction in japan
that brings up an intersting point
that would probably hurt alot more than taking jd, i think the best option would be putting beck at 1 rein at 1 and jd at 1, playable not broken
given the nature of what konami puts on the list they tend to just do the simplest thing and just ban the obvious card like jd and dont care if the deck still works
and obviously dad is more broken but this isnt a dad vs jd discusion
they should both be banned

I quite constantly have boxes from Japan importted here to the UK so that I can test shit out. Japan didn't have the same support that the Western market did for LS.



fuck i already said its not broken i just disagree with the luck factor that it presents into the game
players shouldnt win because they milled 2 wulfs and a necro on their first turn and now the gladiator deck cant make a come back
its just bad for the game
fuck

So let me get this straight: A game where you need to rely on drawing the right stuff that requires a 1/40 chance to draw a card you want and lowers down to 1/39 chance and so on for each card you draw isn't luck based. It's skill?

Whetever you disagree or not: Yu-gi-oh is quite luck based. However it's number crunching and deck manipulation that can also help put where everything goes. A single Solemn Judgment can turn the game around, and that's restricted. Your opponent has to be lucky to draw it though. Look! Luck!

Oh no, Gladiators can't keep up. Woe is them for not playing LIGHT IMPRISONING MIRROR in a Side Deck where Wulf can't activate. Oh fuck, Wulf gets drawn, I can't use it now except to discard it and I won't get a 2100 beatstick unless in the name of Lumina!

plus bad example: Gladiators can handle Lightsworn with Hoplomus since that has 2100 def.



then why was i one of the most respected lightsworn players on pojo and people would ask me how to play the deck and people would net deck me

You obviously don't know that Pojo is considered an absoluate joke, right? Hell, even one of the moderators on Pojo who I speak to, who has won a SJC or two (I dunno how many he's won, I don't see him as a SJC champion, just a friend) considers Pojo as a joke. You're a respected Lightsworn player? Kinda amusing since Pojo is laughed at ALOT.




made a few fixes above
just a few minor ones
not sure about the deck count though i didnt check just make sure its 40
heres a list i use going by a japanese ruling that cyber vally doesnt work with lighty
i hear they never made that rule in america so i might change it

The ruling made it to the Western world. But if you had READ what I put, you might understand why Cyber Valley IS IN my deck. I even put "IT DOESN'T WORK WITH LIGHT." So when I suggest a deck fix, I wish you'd read WHY I put stuff in and what I do and don't know.

[LemenEX]

FL Earth sucks :3

[Kraid]

FL Earth sucks :3

It really does. I wasn't even going to use it. But the fact that I can throw it away and use it to get around a few threats in my area that Dark needs 2-3 turns instead of 1-2 turns... makes it actually useful enough.

Most the decks in my area aren't really 'top decks', but they have shit that normally most won't play, and it actually warrants the use of Earth....

[pheano]

Statstic: I like the fixes. But honestly, and I'm not trying to be one of those people who want fixes, then find a flaw in everything, Earth and One for One are actually more for the fact that my local environment plays stuff that... well actually inherit them. I'll attempt it, but I still need to fix the 44 card monstrosity.

I'll probably replace a Kinka or something. I really find the Kinka doesn't pull it's weight. I'll give it a few days playtesting first. I'll also try your fixes and see how it works.

As for you Pheano: Here's all the holes I could pick out. Honestly I couldn't understand most your posts: It's pretty piss poor english.



This may come as a surprise to you: But I also help out with Yu-gi-oh at a Store that I constantly help organize tournaments in and help the Store Manager there aswell. Not only that, but I also know other Tournament organizers aswell.

What does this prove? Jack shit. It just knows I know the right people.




I quite constantly have boxes from Japan importted here to the UK so that I can test shit out. Japan didn't have the same support that the Western market did for LS.




So let me get this straight: A game where you need to rely on drawing the right stuff that requires a 1/40 chance to draw a card you want and lowers down to 1/39 chance and so on for each card you draw isn't luck based. It's skill?

Whetever you disagree or not: Yu-gi-oh is quite luck based. However it's number crunching and deck manipulation that can also help put where everything goes. A single Solemn Judgment can turn the game around, and that's restricted. Your opponent has to be lucky to draw it though. Look! Luck!

Oh no, Gladiators can't keep up. Woe is them for not playing LIGHT IMPRISONING MIRROR in a Side Deck where Wulf can't activate. Oh fuck, Wulf gets drawn, I can't use it now except to discard it and I won't get a 2100 beatstick unless in the name of Lumina!

plus bad example: Gladiators can handle Lightsworn with Hoplomus since that has 2100 def.




You obviously don't know that Pojo is considered an absoluate joke, right? Hell, even one of the moderators on Pojo who I speak to, who has won a SJC or two (I dunno how many he's won, I don't see him as a SJC champion, just a friend) considers Pojo as a joke. You're a respected Lightsworn player? Kinda amusing since Pojo is laughed at ALOT.





The ruling made it to the Western world. But if you had READ what I put, you might understand why Cyber Valley IS IN my deck. I even put "IT DOESN'T WORK WITH LIGHT." So when I suggest a deck fix, I wish you'd read WHY I put stuff in and what I do and don't know.

im not going to even bother responding to each thing you said since you didn't even respond to anything but the wulf comment with a very black and white comment like"just use lim derp derp"
all you did was rage, insults, and make comments that don't actually mean anything but are disguised to look like an argument

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It really does. I wasn't even going to use it. But the fact that I can throw it away and use it to get around a few threats in my area that Dark needs 2-3 turns instead of 1-2 turns... makes it actually useful enough.

Most the decks in my area aren't really 'top decks', but they have shit that normally most won't play, and it actually warrants the use of Earth....

without knowing the unique meta you have it would be impossible to give you fixes then since any fixes people would give would be metagame fixes

[OkamiPT]

Sum of this Conversation

Pure Lightsworn is Gay JD Being the Greatest Gay ever and Any deck with LS Engine is Manly =D.

Anyway Aside Lightsworn since it would take a LOT of time for some people to realize that LS is a gay 200% Luck Based deck. If the Deck its not Luck based its Stack Based..that's Yugimonz for ya =D. Also Pojo is a Joke and DGZ may go to the same way but since I dont visit those Forums because I get bored to see such retarded Ideas...like inPojo that someone said that KM is better than Morphtronics...;D.

Anyway OTHER DECK Discussion...GBs...Will it Return to be great or Not? and what about Reptiless since its have quite a nice Support With Naja and Vatsuki

[pheano]

Sum of this Conversation

Pure Lightsworn is Gay JD Being the Greatest Gay ever and Any deck with LS Engine is Manly =D.

Anyway Aside Lightsworn since it would take a LOT of time for some people to realize that LS is a gay 200% Luck Based deck. If the Deck its not Luck based its Stack Based..that's Yugimonz for ya =D. Also Pojo is a Joke and DGZ may go to the same way but since I dont visit those Forums because I get bored to see such retarded Ideas...like inPojo that someone said that KM is better than Morphtronics...;D.

Anyway OTHER DECK Discussion...GBs...Will it Return to be great or Not? and what about Reptiless since its have quite a nice Support With Naja and Vatsuki
pretty much all yugioh sites are a joke in one way or another

[LemenEX]

Anyway OTHER DECK Discussion...GBs...Will it Return to be great or Not?

It still is great, it's perfectly competitive. But noone cares using it xD


and what about Reptiless since its have quite a nice Support With Naja and Vatsuki

It's too slow. Maybe with more support

[Statistic]

GBs are competitive and fun, but realllyyy need that Solemn Judgment back at 3 to truly be effective again. Dx

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Hobby decks that are mainly for fun, assembleeeeeee!

Case in point: My Cyber Eltain-XYZ deck. Posting later, but A) It's first build and B) I have no money or anything of huge value, so don't suggest anything that's heavy meta and therefore costs more than 5.00$

[OkamiPT]

It still is great, it's perfectly competitive. But noone cares using it xD

GBs Lost their Main Protection that was Solemn Judgment but Starlight Road is Comming out so it might be a Help for them
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pretty much all yugioh sites are a joke in one way or another

There is one in Portugal that I check everyday we have one and its the Spamdom the mods dont give a crap about it.

[LemenEX]

GBs Lost their Main Protection that was Solemn Judgment but Starlight Road is Comming out so it might be a Help for them


I sure as hell know about SJ, but I don't see where this kills GB's
They are, like I said, still very potent. But yea, why use GB's when all the cool kids play LS? :D

[mufalmar]

I'm a big fan of Yu-Gi-Oh. I play the tag-force games, and i occasionally play Yugioh Online. However, since the more modern cards and decks have been coming, it's been annoying me. I still enjoy playing with the older decks and every time i see somebody with a deck like lightsworns or Synchro I just get mad.

[Statistic]

i'm a big fan of yu-gi-oh. I play the tag-force games, and i occasionally play yugioh online. However, since the more modern cards and decks have been coming, it's been annoying me. I still enjoy playing with the older decks and every time i see somebody with a deck like lightsworns or synchro i just get mad.

rraaaggee!!

[OkamiPT]

I'm a big fan of Yu-Gi-Oh. I play the tag-force games, and i occasionally play Yugioh Online. However, since the more modern cards and decks have been coming, it's been annoying me. I still enjoy playing with the older decks and every time i see somebody with a deck like lightsworns or Synchro I just get mad.

Dont be Mad...Try to beat them and laugh at them In the end...makes you feel better ;D Trust me on that.


rraaaggee!!

BROOKLING RAGE!!!!


I sure as hell know about SJ, but I don't see where this kills GB's
They are, like I said, still very potent. But yea, why use GB's when all the cool kids play LS? :D

No no Cool kids play Super awesome Non-Tier decks
Gay People Play Pure Lightsworn ( no Offense but Pure LS is Pure Gay )

[!Certified!]

I played, I still play; although I can't find myself to play the game outside of the tagforce series especially considering that I can't ever hope to find my old thing - it's probably outdated as hell it wouldn't stand a chance nowadays.

The game was awesome in the olden days and it's pretty damn good now. I have some qualms with the format here and there, but I've learned to deal with it considering I can't do shit to change konami's decision on what card goes on the ban/limit list.

I'm a bit saddened that practically no one puts normal monsters in their decks anymore. I play with Dark Magician and I get a funny look from my friends each and every time.

Excuse me for loving DM to death...

They've really revalued the potency of every card in the game. It's to the point where even weak monster are considered useful in the game. Not really a bad thing at all, but I have to say the synchros kinda piss me off... Only in the Blackwing deck so far though.

Oh! And one last question to you guys who still keep up to date with the game... Why'd they ban Pot of Greed...? All it did was allow you to draw 2 cards from your deck..

I understand completely to limit the card, but ban...?

[LemenEX]

Oh! And one last question to you guys who still keep up to date with the game... Why'd they ban Pot of Greed...? All it did was allow you to draw 2 cards from your deck..

I understand completely to limit the card, but ban...?

No other draw-engine in the game gives you a +1
Pot of Greed is kinda overpowered for this very reason

[OkamiPT]

I played, I still play; although I can't find myself to play the game outside of the tagforce series especially considering that I can't ever hope to find my old thing - it's probably outdated as hell it wouldn't stand a chance nowadays.

The game was awesome in the olden days and it's pretty damn good now. I have some qualms with the format here and there, but I've learned to deal with it considering I can't do shit to change konami's decision on what card goes on the ban/limit list.

I'm a bit saddened that practically no one puts normal monsters in their decks anymore. I play with Dark Magician and I get a funny look from my friends each and every time.

Excuse me for loving DM to death...

They've really revalued the potency of every card in the game. It's to the point where even weak monster are considered useful in the game. Not really a bad thing at all, but I have to say the synchros kinda piss me off... Only in the Blackwing deck so far though.

Oh! And one last question to you guys who still keep up to date with the game... Why'd they ban Pot of Greed...? All it did was allow you to draw 2 cards from your deck..

I understand completely to limit the card, but ban...?

All cards that Are Banned Have a Reason for them to Be Banned...All of them


Well If Allure of Darkness sometimes gives you a OTK Hand for a cost of removing a Dark Imagine just Pot of Greed that is 2 Cards for NO cost.

The Unique diference Between

Allure of Darkness, Fortunre Future, Destiny Draw, BW's Treasure, Solar Recharge, etc and Pot of Greed is the Cost of it

Pot of Greed is a +1 since you waste the card just to get 2 cards

Allure of Darkness is a +0 Because
Using The card -1
Removing the dark -1
Drawing 2 +2

-2 + 2 = 0

[Statistic]

I think it's funny how people bash Lightsworn...and the only reason people bash it is because they hate losing to a Judgment Dragon. Nobody every moaned and whined this much before about a deck, ever. Honestly, Lightsworn isn't that good..it has very few playable options in the deck and is easily predicted, very inconsistent, and relies on JD 100%. Stop JD you win. And they don't have answers for Bottomless Trap Hole and whatnot outside of the tech'd My Body as a Shield and half the time it is milled. So in all honesty, people need to stop bitching about how good LS is when truly it isn't as good as everyone dick rides it to be. It's good, but it hasn't won an SJC for a reason, too inconsistent and will always be that way.

Also Pot of Greed is an obvious ban. Why WOULDN'T you ban that card? A free 2 draws easy +1,

[OkamiPT]

I think it's funny how people bash Lightsworn...and the only reason people bash it is because they hate losing to a Judgment Dragon. Nobody every moaned and whined this much before about a deck, ever. Honestly, Lightsworn isn't that good..it has very few playable options in the deck and is easily predicted, very inconsistent, and relies on JD 100%. Stop JD you win. And they don't have answers for Bottomless Trap Hole and whatnot outside of the tech'd My Body as a Shield and half the time it is milled. So in all honesty, people need to stop bitching about how good LS is when truly it isn't as good as everyone dick rides it to be. It's good, but it hasn't won an SJC for a reason, too inconsistent and will always be that way.

Also Pot of Greed is an obvious ban. Why WOULDN'T you ban that card? A free 2 draws easy +1,

LS Is gay perioud for the reasons that you said xD but I like to use the Engine for something else...as Engine I think LS Is great now as a Pure deck I think of it as the Gayest thing ever xD

[Statistic]

LS Is gay perioud for the reasons that you said xD but I like to use the Engine for something else...as Engine I think LS Is great now as a Pure deck I think of it as the Gayest thing ever xD

Why and how is it the gayest thing ever? It's so simple to beat, honestly, I've rarely EVER lost to a Lightsworn deck, EVER. It is so damn simple to beat.

[OkamiPT]

Why and how is it the gayest thing ever? It's so simple to beat, honestly, I've rarely EVER lost to a Lightsworn deck, EVER. It is so damn simple to beat.

Not because its easy to beat...its because the deck works in a Stupid and Automatic way...that's why is gay xD

[pheano]

I think it's funny how people bash Lightsworn...and the only reason people bash it is because they hate losing to a Judgment Dragon. Nobody every moaned and whined this much before about a deck, ever. Honestly, Lightsworn isn't that good..it has very few playable options in the deck and is easily predicted, very inconsistent, and relies on JD 100%. Stop JD you win. And they don't have answers for Bottomless Trap Hole and whatnot outside of the tech'd My Body as a Shield and half the time it is milled. So in all honesty, people need to stop bitching about how good LS is when truly it isn't as good as everyone dick rides it to be. It's good, but it hasn't won an SJC for a reason, too inconsistent and will always be that way.

Also Pot of Greed is an obvious ban. Why WOULDN'T you ban that card? A free 2 draws easy +1,

ppl will bash any deck they lose too


and fortune future is a +1 also

[Statistic]

Not because its easy to beat...its because the deck works in a Stupid and Automatic way...that's why is gay xD

That's a stupid reason to say it is gay, you might as well call Tele-DaD gay, Chaos back in 04 gay, Glad Beasts when they first got there spot light gay, Gadgets when they were over hyped gay, might as wel call every day gay then because if it works its gay? Every deck has there 'automatic' way of working, it's called a top tier deck, it's meant to work well. What's so wrong with that? If you don't like it then don't play, rather then bitching about it and calling it 'gay' or people who run the specific deck gay. Sure I like LS but I'm not ranting because your dissing on the deck, I'm just tired of everyone dick riding on how 'good' it is when it really isn't that good at all. Too inconsistent, never won an SJC, relies on JD, pop JD off the field with Bottomless, TT, My Body, Book of Moon, SO much shit to stop him in his tracks that makes it so easy to win against.

[OkamiPT]

That's a stupid reason to say it is gay, you might as well call Tele-DaD gay, Chaos back in 04 gay, Glad Beasts when they first got there spot light gay, Gadgets when they were over hyped gay, might as wel call every day gay then because if it works its gay? Every deck has there 'automatic' way of working, it's called a top tier deck, it's meant to work well. What's so wrong with that? If you don't like it then don't play, rather then bitching about it and calling it 'gay' or people who run the specific deck gay. Sure I like LS but I'm not ranting because your dissing on the deck, I'm just tired of everyone dick riding on how 'good' it is when it really isn't that good at all. Too inconsistent, never won an SJC, relies on JD, pop JD off the field with Bottomless, TT, My Body, Book of Moon, SO much shit to stop him in his tracks that makes it so easy to win against.

Dont take it seriously....I'm just Joking...calling it gay its a way to say that I dont like them...that's all xD

Well those are all Gays because its Stupid to play with a deck that doesnt give you a satisfaction. gives you that pleasure of having a great n' Long duel with techs fighting techs and somethin like it and Not a race that who gets the fastest hand to do the Automatic Game. Decks that you talked about

Tele-DaD - Fact is called the Best Deck ever...Yes its cool but ITS Boring has hell to play it -.- so its gay =D

Chaos in 04 - For Lots of Reasons that I dont like it....the cards are just....Its just a Proof that Konami never tests the cards.

Glads - They are a Tool Box so it doesnt make THAT automatic....but the fact is that you're always making the same moves all over again....-.-

Gadgets - They Are Interesting if you know how to play with them.

Not Gay decks in my Opinion

FlamvellSworn

Dual X Saber (calling it Triple X is lol)

Junk & Debris

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Lemen, ever hear of the Appropriate engine? That can net you 10+ cards a turn if it's done right.

[OkamiPT]

Zombies + Card of Safe Return xD

[pheano]

plants were a fun deck
i played drain plants that sided debris hime for a month or so in casual cause i was bored of lightsworns for casual

hey whats the rarist card any ones had?
any format go

mine was jd when it came to last year, ccv durring 09, or any of my awsome misprints like my dad thats english on the top half of the card and italian on the bottom half

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

One of the first ever printed Exodia the Forbidden One

[pheano]

one of the first ever printed exodia the forbidden one

dds ?

[LemenEX]

Lemen, ever hear of the Appropriate engine? That can net you 10+ cards a turn if it's done right.

I know of this engine
And it kinda sucks ballz, tbh

[pheano]

I know of this engine
And it kinda sucks ballz, tbh

it is nowa days
back in the day it was the shit though

[LemenEX]

it is nowa days
back in the day it was the shit though

Can't believe that it did improve at all
Something so inconsistent shouldn't even be mentioned as a true engine :p
More like a gimmick

[pheano]

Can't believe that it did improve at all
Something so inconsistent shouldn't even be mentioned as a true engine :p
More like a gimmick

dude before there were any real engines like gb and ls something like that was great
free monsters that you could tribute for a monarch
and get a free +1 when you flip the MOF or the old vindictive
those were the good times when it was all about true card advantage not just nuke the feild for a free +3(shouldnt be more than 3 since no good player would comit that much unless they could stop the jd)

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Thing is though, there are so many cards that can cause your opponent to draw now a days. Hand destruction. Card Destruction. Defender. Book of Eclipse. Dark Bribe. Kuraz. Morphing Jar. You may notice that quite a few of these are naturally good, as well as being able to put in 3 of them. That's of course excluding any and all natural drawing boosts, deck searching, and stall. I've often had duels when I lost in 2 turns due to the engine: Dark Bribes pinned me down with Magic and trap while netting cards, Swords/Cage remains on the field at all times, and Book of Total Eclipse to selectivly stop any monster attacks that might threaten my defender, fool, spirit reaper, or marshmallon.

[Limbo_lag]

That's a stupid reason to say it is gay, you might as well call Tele-DaD gay, Chaos back in 04 gay, Glad Beasts when they first got there spot light gay, Gadgets when they were over hyped gay, might as wel call every day gay then because if it works its gay? Every deck has there 'automatic' way of working, it's called a top tier deck, it's meant to work well. What's so wrong with that? If you don't like it then don't play, rather then bitching about it and calling it 'gay' or people who run the specific deck gay. Sure I like LS but I'm not ranting because your dissing on the deck, I'm just tired of everyone dick riding on how 'good' it is when it really isn't that good at all. Too inconsistent, never won an SJC, relies on JD, pop JD off the field with Bottomless, TT, My Body, Book of Moon, SO much shit to stop him in his tracks that makes it so easy to win against.

Heh. But even with that bottomless on JD, priority wise, you can still use your JDs field clearing effect first, can't ya? Anyway, for those who don't (can't afford to) play JDs, Celestias work almost as well. Of course, not having a JD is a massive disadvantage :/ It is true about what you said tho, LS pretty much plays itself. With no JD it lacks any real power such that if you don't win in 1 or 2 turns, youre screwed. Of course, there are ways around this. Namely LS sabres (3k celestia, anyone?) and Honests :/. In short, JD isint everything LS is about, I mean, it isint even technically considered LS, then again, maybe I'm just bitter I dont have one ;)

[Bloodsword83]

All you need to deal with Lightsworn are three copies of Light-Imprisoning Mirror, in my opinion. I know that they never gave my Gravekeepers any trouble in game 2 or game 3 unless I didn't draw one of them. That'll shut down most of their effects. Then the rest of my traps and Necrovalley took care of everything else.

The only deck that has ever earned the right to be called "gay" was Magical Scientist OTK.

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Seriously? Not even the Sangan-Chaos Emperor Dragon-Yata combo didn't register as unfair?

[pheano]

honestly the old chaos decks are childs play when used against decks now
ive seen games of lightsworn vs chaos
it wasnt even fair
the only way that the chaos can is is if the ls player cant do anything on the first 2 turns or if they draw one of their 2 discard cards

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

How are you comparing them? Are we talking every card in a Chaos deck with nothing new vs Modern(Imperial Order vs Dark Bribe and Graceful Charity vs Allure)? Chaos's new incarnation(Twilight) with all the old staples in tact(Chaos Emperor+Daddy+Synchros)? What banned cards are factored in here? There are quite some factors going on here. From what I can tell, if Twilight had the envoys back, it would only make it stronger, possibly stronger than...everything else.


Side Note:The speed of the new deck types is beyond fast. It's pretty much why Chaos seems so slow now. While I won't denounce this influx of speed and it's source(Synchros), I'm watching it carefully. If Synchros get out of hand, they could absorb the entirety of the game(Not likely, but with Synchro's ease of use, easy to side, easy to abuse capabilities, not to mention their increasingly effective way of dealing with anything that comes their way, I wouldn't be shocked.)

[Bloodsword83]

Seriously? Not even the Sangan-Chaos Emperor Dragon-Yata combo didn't register as unfair?
But that's a combo. Let me be clear: When I say deck, I mean deck, not a combo.

The Magical Scientist OTK deck had, at it's peak, a 90% win rate. The Magical Scientist OTK was a near win every game.

The Sangan -> CED -> Yata combo is comprised of 3 limited cards, making it fairly unreliable.

[OkamiPT]

But that's a combo. Let me be clear: When I say deck, I mean deck, not a combo.

The Magical Scientist OTK deck had, at it's peak, a 90% win rate. The Magical Scientist OTK was a near win every game.

The Sangan -> CED -> Yata combo is comprised of 3 limited cards, making it fairly unreliable.


I played with both decks in Tag Force 4 and I agree with you Magical Scientist OTK is the King of Gay decks

[Lelouch()]

I played with both decks in Tag Force 4 and I agree with you Magical Scientist OTK is the King of Gay decks

You bought tag force 4??
I quit after playing 3, I was a bloody waste of time trying to rebuild my decks and quit after completing 3 story variants

[Kraid]

But that's a combo. Let me be clear: When I say deck, I mean deck, not a combo.

The Magical Scientist OTK deck had, at it's peak, a 90% win rate. The Magical Scientist OTK was a near win every game.

The Sangan -> CED -> Yata combo is comprised of 3 limited cards, making it fairly unreliable.

Actually it comprised of FOUR limited cards + more. Firstly: Sangan can be replaced with Witch of the Black Forest. But it was far from 'unreliable.'

But hey, I CANNOT disagree with the fact that Magical Scientist FTK was the gayest deck out there. Remember it was an FTK, not so much as an OTK, and that's why it was 'gay.'


Besides Pheano, you're also talking about LS V Chaos? Colonel-Gilgamesh put it right. I don't know about you, but I've seen matches where newer Chaos Builds have creamed Lightsworn.

And you say Lightsworn is unfair? HAH! Lightsworn may be able to bring back Judgment Dragon over and over, but Chaos Emperor Dragon CAN ALSO COME BACK OVER AND OVER. As can BLS-EOTB.

Will post Counter Fairies later by the way.

[OkamiPT]

You bought tag force 4??
I quit after playing 3, I was a bloody waste of time trying to rebuild my decks and quit after completing 3 story variants

CFW Ftw hehe ;3

[LemenEX]

You bought tag force 4??
I quit after playing 3, I was a bloody waste of time trying to rebuild my decks and quit after completing 3 story variants

You can play online with it :3

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

I get the World Championship Games as opposed to Tag Force. Tends to be a lot better, and isn't as heavily dependant(Sometimes not at all) on your R-tarded tag partner

[LemenEX]

I get the World Championship Games as opposed to Tag Force. Tends to be a lot better, and isn't as heavily dependant(Sometimes not at all) on your R-tarded tag partner

You can tag-battle in tag force?

woot?
:rolleyes:

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

I'd rather go through most of the game solo, without having to hold some CPU's hand, thank you very much.

[Shigunetheseraph]

OMG I had Yu-Gi-Oh on GBA, but I did not play it for TOO long. Ugh.

[Lelouch()]

Most of the time the cpu will be a dick and tribute some important 4 star to get a useless 5 star, goddammit

[pheano]

computers are useless
i would rather go solo against two computers with 4000 than have the partner holding me back

[Geemet]

Is anybody here a fan of the card game, YuGiOh? I play and was curious if anyone else here did. Discuss!

i quit playing at 13, started at 10.

when I was 12 the Invasion of Chaos set came out...i had 3 decks (blue eyes summon [the little blue eyes dragon rider 4 star or whatever, alot of dragon cards], fiend [dark necrofear/dark ruler ha des, slate warrior and another big fiend type]), but my best and most favorite deck was my Manticore of Darkness beatdown...berserk gorilla, manticore of darkness, the 4 star 1900 AP dog, with jinzo as the other summon...i kicked dicks with that deck

too bad i spent so much money and traded so much because my once valuable decks only sell for 99 cents a card on ebay, like 3 bucks for mint extremely rare cards (i have multiples of blue eyes shining dragon from the movie that came out a few years ago, some kids ran in the theater, stole the promo box and brought it to the card shop and gave them out)

edit -

i found my book of rares and started flipping through it...sure enough alot of my old deck components are in it

manticore beatdown (beast/beast warrior theme, centered around manticore of darkness)

enraged battle ox
mad dog of darkness
berserk gorilla
manticore of darkness
dd crazy beast n stuff like that

found more about my fiend deck as well...looks like i have a terrorking archfiend, pandemonium, archfiend soldiers...damn i was a pro back in the day, i never used that cheap yata-hand destruction cookie cutter deck either...fuckin cheap shit

[Statistic]

I've been testing a Dragon Build that has been very successful for me lately, probably the funnest deck I've played in a long time. It is slow, but doesn't really need speed, but speed would be nice, none-the-less. Not very competitive compared to some of the main stream decks but can deff. slow them down and harm them if I can draw into the right cards by turns two or three. This is the build:

3 Masked Dragon
1 Prime Material Dragon
1 Debris Dragon
3 Red-Eyes Wyvern
2 Totem Dragon
2 Exploder Dragon
1 Magna Drago
3 Koa'ki Meiru Drago
1 Yamata Dragon
3 Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon
1 Genesis Dragon

2 Book ofMoon
1 Mystical Space typhoon
1 Heavy Storm
1 My Body as a Shield
1 Future Fusion
1 Lightning Vortex
1 Brain Control
1 Burial from a Different Dimension
2 Gold Sarcophagus

2 Burst Breath
2 Bottomless Trap Hole
1 Mirror Force
1 Call of the Haunted
1 Torrential Tribute
1 Solemn Judgment

[OkamiPT]

I've been testing a Dragon Build that has been very successful for me lately, probably the funnest deck I've played in a long time. It is slow, but doesn't really need speed, but speed would be nice, none-the-less. Not very competitive compared to some of the main stream decks but can deff. slow them down and harm them if I can draw into the right cards by turns two or three. This is the build:

3 Masked Dragon
1 Prime Material Dragon
1 Debris Dragon
3 Red-Eyes Wyvern
2 Totem Dragon
2 Exploder Dragon
1 Magna Drago
3 Koa'ki Meiru Drago
1 Yamata Dragon
3 Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon
1 Genesis Dragon

2 Book ofMoon
1 Mystical Space typhoon
1 Heavy Storm
1 My Body as a Shield
1 Future Fusion
1 Lightning Vortex
1 Brain Control
1 Burial from a Different Dimension
2 Gold Sarcophagus

2 Burst Breath
2 Bottomless Trap Hole
1 Mirror Force
1 Call of the Haunted
1 Torrential Tribute
1 Solemn Judgment

That's Disaster Dragon Right? or at least it looks like it xD

[OmniFalcon]

OMG i used 2 play yugayho. I had korebo. He wuz rad kewl. I pwned bitches wit him. I also had siverfang. He's super strong amirite?

[OkamiPT]

OMG i used 2 play yugayho. I had korebo. He wuz rad kewl. I pwned bitches wit him. I also had siverfang. He's super strong amirite?

Totaly there is the Kuriboh OTK

[OmniFalcon]

Totaly there is the Kuriboh OTK

I kno rite. SO OP.

No, but seriously I used to run a legendary ocean stall deck. Do those hold up well still?

[OkamiPT]

I kno rite. SO OP.

No, but seriously I used to run a legendary ocean stall deck. Do those hold up well still?

Not really...The Stall Deck doesnt go well but there is a Fish Syncro Turbo or Now I think that its going to be a UMI abuse Deck xD but that's for it when it comes to water decks.

A Good Stall Deck is Burning or Final Countdown

[OmniFalcon]

Not really...The Stall Deck doesnt go well but there is a Fish Syncro Turbo or Now I think that its going to be a UMI abuse Deck xD but that's for it when it comes to water decks.

A Good Stall Deck is Burning or Final Countdown

Hmm... what about these new synchro guys, are they good if I were to make a new deck of them now?

[OkamiPT]

Well the Base of the deck is a about this Single Fish
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Superancient_Deepsea_King_Coelacanth

that he's a Spammer...then there is a Tuner Level 4 Fish

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Royal_Swamp_Eel

Picking 2 Tuners and other 2 Fishes you have Instant Level 8 Syncros.

If you search on Wikia or on the Internet for that you might see lots of Builds arround it but that's the main thing on it

[Kraid]

Counter Fairies

3 Van'Dalgyonn the Dark Dragon Lord

2 Archlord Kristya
1 Voltanis the Adjudicator
1 Splendid Venus

3 Tethys, Goddess of Light

3 Honest
3 Bountiful Artemis
2 Hecatrice
2 Harvest, Angel of Wisdom
1 Meltiel, Sage of the Sky

3 Valhalla, Hall of the Fallen
3 Trade-In

1 Solemn Judgment
3 Drastic Drop Off
3 Dark Bribe
3 Force Back
2 Negate Attack (Should be Divine Wrath when I think off it... or Beckoning Lights!)


Reasoning time:

The Dark Dragon Lord: Any counter deck essentially needs them. Trade-In Bait.

Voltanis: Was only really put in there when brainstorming this decks idea. Becomes a 2800 beatstick with Valhalla and easy to summon when I use countertraps. Also Trade-In Bait.

Archlord Kristya: The ability to stop all the best shit coming out AND can be special summoned with Valhalla?! Not only that but it can recycle all my good shit.

Splendid Venus: Another Trade-In/Valhalla bait. Only this time VERY useful. With Venus in play, alot of the stuff that stops my Trap cards from working will... now actually work. I was thinking of putting another Venus in with a Royal Decree, but the chances of pulling THAT off is slim. The ATK reduction is just icing on a cake.

Tethys, Goddess of Light: I like how they try and remove every single instance of the word 'God' or 'Goddess' in the TCG, yet it's a TCG exclusive card that actually gets the name Goddess. Anyways Tethys is a quick 2400 beatstick with Valhalla. More than that, it has great draw power when you have Trade-In and/or Bountiful Artemis. I like it considering it has let me drawn over and over and over again.

Honest: It's a Light deck. Go figure.

Bountiful Artemis: I love this card. And because of a ruling, if I draw into Van'Dalygon or Voltanis because of it's effect, I can actually still special summon them. Obviously this is the key element to the deck.

Hecatrice: I need those Valhallas quickly. I can't get Trade-In quickly, but with this + Valhalla + Trade-In, it gives me EIGHT ways in my opening hand to remove a clogged up starting hand.

Harvest: I couldn't think of anything else to much. Let's me recycle Drastic Drop Off and Solemn Judgments, which in my opinion is a must. However I have found most the time the Harvets aren't destroyed by battle. (And many people refuse to destroy them by battle because of Drastic Drop Off. How peculiar.)

Meltiel: Now why would I use this when I have no Sanctuary of the Sky? Did I make a typo? If I owned one more Meltiel, I might try and fit the Sky in this deck. But originally this card allowed me to handle my lifepoints with Solemn alot more easier. But like Harvest, it's only in there because it is.

Valhalla: I love this card. 2 Hecatrices and 3 Valhalla gives me a high chance of drawing it in my opening hand. Allows me to drop and recycle Kristya over and over and over and over again without having to resort to her effect if I have to many or to little Fairies. Likewise I can drop Voltanis, Venus and Tethys aswell.

Trade-In: I'm playing 7 Level 8s. That's enough to play 3 Trade-Ins don't you think?

Solemn Judgment: If you're asking this question on why this card is in the deck, then you must have just started playing Yu-gi-oh.

Dark Bribe: Now this is interesting. Yes, it's a common choice in many decks, but in this deck, I actually Dark Bribe a MYSTICAL SPACE TYPHOON if it's the ONLY THING ON THE FIELD. I get cards from Artemis that way. Plus it's the easiest spell and trap negator. Also works well with Drastic Drop off to net MORE cards from Artemis.

Forced Back: I love Forced Back. It gives me an extra turn, stops Rescue Cat coming out earlier and forces opponent's to waste resources if they want to continue their onslaught. Also triggers Van-Dalgyon's Monster effect, allowing me to recycle ANY monster I want, including a certain Archlord or Venus.

Negate Attack: I don't actually know why I'm playing this over the Wraths. The funny story is, I originally was playing both Wrath AND this card. I forgot to take my Wraths out of my deckbox while playing Multiplayer and it just stuck like this.

Cards I'm not playing but should be playing:

Divine Wrath: Obvious choice. Why I'm not is a mystery even to me. It stops DAD and JD in their tracks and stops opposing Kristyas. A obvious choice for stopping boss monsters.

Black Horn of Heaven: It has no cost and stops DAD, JD and Synchro summonings. Perhaps I should be thinking this over Wrath?

Reckless Greed: A REALLY powerful card with Tethys.

Cards I've tried and failed with:

Tualatin: I loved the idea of Tualatin. However I find it's effect SO DAMN SITUATIONAL that most the time it's THE Trade-In or Valhalla'd card. When it pulls off though, it's AMAZING.

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Ha ha. I've learned through the course of Yu-Gi-Oh that sometimes Logical choice amount to jack squat. Sometimes the deck just inexplicably functions better without certain cards. This certainly sounds like the case with Divine Wrath and Tualatin.

[crzysteveo]

I play on and off when my friends decide they're going to start up again, then quit a week later, my latest deck was a dark world Control deck

[Statistic]

2 Chaos Sorcerer
2 Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter
2 Krebons
2 Caius the Shadow Monarch
2 Mystic Tomato
2 Dimensional Alchemist
1 Cyber Dragon
1 Plaguespreader Zombie
1 Sangan
1 Gorz the Emissary of Darkness
1 Dark Armed Dragon
1 Necro Gardna
1 Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind
1 Armageddon Knight

2 Book of Moon
2 Allure of Darkness
1 Brain Control
1 Mystical Space Typhoon
1 Foolish Burial
1 Emergency Teleport
1 Heavy Storm
1 My Body as a Shield
1 Mind Control
1 Gold Sarcophagus
1 Burial from a Different Dimension
1 Lightning Vortex

2 Bottomless Trap Hole
1 Solemn Judgment
1 Mirror Force
1 Torrential Tribute
1 Trap Dustshoot

Currently testing this now until the banned list comes out in a couple of days, I think it gets revealed in another 13 days?

[Some Character]

I roll an Alien deck to keep control over the field. Monsters will not be stronger if I don't want them to be. Enemies join my side at the flick of a wrist. And its support is superb.

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

I want to build a Ritual Deck, but There are so many avenues to go down that I have no idea where or how to begin. I have a first build up, but nothing in it is really definite. The way it's set up is thus: A combination of counter fairies, negation, and Djinns. As said, it's the first build of a concept. I expect many holes in it.

Armageddon Knightx2
Djinn Releaserx2
Djiin Diserrex2
Djin residerx2
Harvest
3 Manju
Bountiful Artemis x3
Chaos Sorcerer
Marshmallon
The Fool
2 Reshef(My Favortie Ritual. Also the only Ritual I have 2 of)
2 Perfect Herald(http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Herald)
2 Final Ritual
2 Herald Promise
3 Dark Bribe
1 Solemn
3 Forced Back
2 Negate Attack
Monster Reincarnation x 2
A Feather of the Phoenix
Vortex
Call of the Haunted

[Nexus_Nocturnal]

I'm a dragon deck person myself. Next time I get my TF4 game up and running I'll post my deck. It's more a fun to use type of deck, I don't try to get too serious in the meta game.

[Statistic]

I'm a dragon deck person myself. Next time I get my TF4 game up and running I'll post my deck. It's more a fun to use type of deck, I don't try to get too serious in the meta game.

Dragons are awesome, I play those and Chaos. But I play competitive. :P

[OkamiPT]

I'm making a Flamvell Sworn but waiting for a Possible Banlist (Just Using 1 Judgment Dragon and 1 Celestia for Space Reasons) but lets see what it goes on.

Alien Decks are Really Cool to play their Only Problem is their Speed and there arent much of Drawing cards for them D:

Dragons are cool but Still REDMD its not yet on Super Rare so I wont care for now xD

[Limbo_lag]

Counter Fairies

3 Van'Dalgyonn the Dark Dragon Lord

2 Archlord Kristya
1 Voltanis the Adjudicator
1 Splendid Venus

3 Tethys, Goddess of Light

3 Honest
3 Bountiful Artemis
2 Hecatrice
2 Harvest, Angel of Wisdom
1 Meltiel, Sage of the Sky

3 Valhalla, Hall of the Fallen
3 Trade-In

1 Solemn Judgment
3 Drastic Drop Off
3 Dark Bribe
3 Force Back
2 Negate Attack (Should be Divine Wrath when I think off it... or Beckoning Lights!)


Reasoning time:

The Dark Dragon Lord: Any counter deck essentially needs them. Trade-In Bait.

Voltanis: Was only really put in there when brainstorming this decks idea. Becomes a 2800 beatstick with Valhalla and easy to summon when I use countertraps. Also Trade-In Bait.

Archlord Kristya: The ability to stop all the best shit coming out AND can be special summoned with Valhalla?! Not only that but it can recycle all my good shit.

Splendid Venus: Another Trade-In/Valhalla bait. Only this time VERY useful. With Venus in play, alot of the stuff that stops my Trap cards from working will... now actually work. I was thinking of putting another Venus in with a Royal Decree, but the chances of pulling THAT off is slim. The ATK reduction is just icing on a cake.

Tethys, Goddess of Light: I like how they try and remove every single instance of the word 'God' or 'Goddess' in the TCG, yet it's a TCG exclusive card that actually gets the name Goddess. Anyways Tethys is a quick 2400 beatstick with Valhalla. More than that, it has great draw power when you have Trade-In and/or Bountiful Artemis. I like it considering it has let me drawn over and over and over again.

Honest: It's a Light deck. Go figure.

Bountiful Artemis: I love this card. And because of a ruling, if I draw into Van'Dalygon or Voltanis because of it's effect, I can actually still special summon them. Obviously this is the key element to the deck.

Hecatrice: I need those Valhallas quickly. I can't get Trade-In quickly, but with this + Valhalla + Trade-In, it gives me EIGHT ways in my opening hand to remove a clogged up starting hand.

Harvest: I couldn't think of anything else to much. Let's me recycle Drastic Drop Off and Solemn Judgments, which in my opinion is a must. However I have found most the time the Harvets aren't destroyed by battle. (And many people refuse to destroy them by battle because of Drastic Drop Off. How peculiar.)

Meltiel: Now why would I use this when I have no Sanctuary of the Sky? Did I make a typo? If I owned one more Meltiel, I might try and fit the Sky in this deck. But originally this card allowed me to handle my lifepoints with Solemn alot more easier. But like Harvest, it's only in there because it is.

Valhalla: I love this card. 2 Hecatrices and 3 Valhalla gives me a high chance of drawing it in my opening hand. Allows me to drop and recycle Kristya over and over and over and over again without having to resort to her effect if I have to many or to little Fairies. Likewise I can drop Voltanis, Venus and Tethys aswell.

Trade-In: I'm playing 7 Level 8s. That's enough to play 3 Trade-Ins don't you think?

Solemn Judgment: If you're asking this question on why this card is in the deck, then you must have just started playing Yu-gi-oh.

Dark Bribe: Now this is interesting. Yes, it's a common choice in many decks, but in this deck, I actually Dark Bribe a MYSTICAL SPACE TYPHOON if it's the ONLY THING ON THE FIELD. I get cards from Artemis that way. Plus it's the easiest spell and trap negator. Also works well with Drastic Drop off to net MORE cards from Artemis.

Forced Back: I love Forced Back. It gives me an extra turn, stops Rescue Cat coming out earlier and forces opponent's to waste resources if they want to continue their onslaught. Also triggers Van-Dalgyon's Monster effect, allowing me to recycle ANY monster I want, including a certain Archlord or Venus.

Negate Attack: I don't actually know why I'm playing this over the Wraths. The funny story is, I originally was playing both Wrath AND this card. I forgot to take my Wraths out of my deckbox while playing Multiplayer and it just stuck like this.

Cards I'm not playing but should be playing:

Divine Wrath: Obvious choice. Why I'm not is a mystery even to me. It stops DAD and JD in their tracks and stops opposing Kristyas. A obvious choice for stopping boss monsters.

Black Horn of Heaven: It has no cost and stops DAD, JD and Synchro summonings. Perhaps I should be thinking this over Wrath?

Reckless Greed: A REALLY powerful card with Tethys.

Cards I've tried and failed with:

Tualatin: I loved the idea of Tualatin. However I find it's effect SO DAMN SITUATIONAL that most the time it's THE Trade-In or Valhalla'd card. When it pulls off though, it's AMAZING.

No heralds? They're mighty good counters...plus with Kristya you get to recycle a lot of them. Srsly, Kristya is cheap when used properly :/ Also...why do you run drastic drop-off's? It'd probably be better to run 3 solemns...(although...im not sure, have they been limited lately?) Get a mirror force in there instead of negate attack ;P

I've also heard of the Kristya-sworn build...which revolves around Valhalla, Shire, Celestia and (duh) Kristya.

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Mirror Force is a poor substitute for Negate Attack believe it or not. 2 Reasons. 1) In this day and age, it doesn't take much for one threat to spawn another: With the grave being as abusable as it is, sometimes keping guys on the fielld and stunned is better than having them dead. Factor in Stardust and the fact that it's a Counter Trap and I think we have a winner.

Solemn is indeed limited.

And again, in the age we live in, it's not uncommon for decks to only need 1 card to make the entire course of a duel pull a 180. With Drastic coming back again and again, t keep people from getting much needed draws. Nuff said.........BUT THERE'S MORE! Because Kraid can recycle cards, those drop Offs REALLY hurt over time. Especially if you search for your cards

[pheano]

anyone have these for trade by any chance
1x Fortune Lady Darky
1x Fortune Lady Watery
2x Fortune Future(1x pending)
1x Ally of Justice Catastor
1x Mist Wurm
1x Super Rare Tempest Magician
1x Brionic Dragon of the Ice Boundary
1x Ultra Rare Blackwing Armor Master

[Statistic]

anyone have these for trade by any chance
1x Fortune Lady Darky
1x Fortune Lady Watery
2x Fortune Future(1x pending)
1x Ally of Justice Catastor
1x Mist Wurm
1x Super Rare Tempest Magician
1x Brionic Dragon of the Ice Boundary
1x Ultra Rare Blackwing Armor Master

I have the Ultra Rare blackwing Armor Master 100% mint, offer?

[pheano]

I have the Ultra Rare blackwing Armor Master 100% mint, offer?

pm me on pojo or something or a site that modorates tcg trades

[Statistic]

pm me on pojo or something or a site that modorates tcg trades

username on pojo? mines Statistic :P

[pheano]

dude click on my sig
lol
post in my trade thread actualy not a pm

[OkamiPT]

I Actualy have a Mist Wurm For Trade xD

[pheano]

check out my trade thread

[Kraid]

I just want to make a huge warning here:

If you plan to do trades with people on this forum: We are NOT liable if any trades go wrong or missing. It is ENTIRELY up to you users to keep tabs on who are trust worthy or not.

Is that understood?

[pheano]

I just want to make a huge warning here:

If you plan to do trades with people on this forum: We are NOT liable if any trades go wrong or missing. It is ENTIRELY up to you users to keep tabs on who are trust worthy or not.

Is that understood?

thats why i said do it on a different site like pojo
this site has nothing to do with trades
lol

[Kraid]

thats why i said do it on a different site like pojo
this site has nothing to do with trades
lol

There are people though who won't think that. So I'm making double sure.

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

So.....Absolute Powerforce. The Good, the Bad, the Ugly, and the Meta. GO DISCUSSION BALL!

[Statistic]

I just want to make a huge warning here:

If you plan to do trades with people on this forum: We are NOT liable if any trades go wrong or missing. It is ENTIRELY up to you users to keep tabs on who are trust worthy or not.

Is that understood?

Yeah, understood. :P

[pheano]

any trades should be done over a site that can moderate it and all records of the trade should be done on it not off site

[Kraid]

So.....Absolute Powerforce. The Good, the Bad, the Ugly, and the Meta. GO DISCUSSION BALL!

Well: I got a bunch of ABPF, here's what I pulled and ended up obtaining (All ABPF cards are 1st Ed unless stated.):

Sneak Preview:

Pulled:
Sun Dragon Inti
XX-Saber Hyunei (Ultimate)
Jank else really.

Obtained:
Sun Dragon Inti (Ultimate)
Oracle of the Sun


Today:
Pulled:
Core Transplant Unit
Moon Dragon Quilla
Moon Dragon Quilla (Ultimate)
XX-Saber Hyunei
Koa'Ki Meiru Urnight

Obtained:
Moon Dragon Quilla
Oracle of the Sun
Garlandolf, King of Destruction (Ultimate)

Seems alot of stuff from ABPF is in high demand. Espcially when you trade Core Transplant Unit, a Moon Dragon Quilla and a Koa'Ki Meiru Urnight for the following:

Oracle of the Sun
Garlandolf, King of Destruction (Ultimate)
Earthbound Immortal Ccarahyua (Ultimate 1st Ed.)
Burial from Different Dimension (Rare)
3 Doomcaliber Knights!!!

What's the point of saying all this? Well it's making me want to build to build my Ritual and Incan deck that much quicker, aswell as a Reptiless/Reptilianne deck even more now.

EVERYONE seems to be after Battle Fader right now. I could have obtained three today, but at a really hefty price. Plus I'm not playing things like Dimensional Alchemist....

Am I missing something about Battle Fader? Because honestly I don't see why to play this over Gorz or Tragoedia.

[pheano]

Well: I got a bunch of ABPF, here's what I pulled and ended up obtaining (All ABPF cards are 1st Ed unless stated.):

Sneak Preview:

Pulled:
Sun Dragon Inti
XX-Saber Hyunei (Ultimate)
Jank else really.

Obtained:
Sun Dragon Inti (Ultimate)
Oracle of the Sun


Today:
Pulled:
Core Transplant Unit
Moon Dragon Quilla
Moon Dragon Quilla (Ultimate)
XX-Saber Hyunei
Koa'Ki Meiru Urnight

Obtained:
Moon Dragon Quilla
Oracle of the Sun
Garlandolf, King of Destruction (Ultimate)

Seems alot of stuff from ABPF is in high demand. Espcially when you trade Core Transplant Unit, a Moon Dragon Quilla and a Koa'Ki Meiru Urnight for the following:

Oracle of the Sun
Garlandolf, King of Destruction (Ultimate)
Earthbound Immortal Ccarahyua (Ultimate 1st Ed.)
Burial from Different Dimension (Rare)
3 Doomcaliber Knights!!!

What's the point of saying all this? Well it's making me want to build to build my Ritual and Incan deck that much quicker, aswell as a Reptiless/Reptilianne deck even more now.

EVERYONE seems to be after Battle Fader right now. I could have obtained three today, but at a really hefty price. Plus I'm not playing things like Dimensional Alchemist....

Am I missing something about Battle Fader? Because honestly I don't see why to play this over Gorz or Tragoedia.
youve played yugioh for how long and your still surprised when borderline good cards get hyped to 60% their actual price
that being said i can see that good in a few decks but i would rather trago

[Kraid]

If you read my post....

I wasn't surprised at the price. (To be honest, I EXPECTED them to be Overpriced.) I was surprised at how many people wanted them. I'll probably end up getting a playset or something eventually since people like to discount cards to me.

Edit: What the hell? Ok, I can understand Doomcaliber Knight being Overpriced. But WHY IN HELL is Battle Fader THAT expensive? I REALLY feel I'm missing something here. Hell no, it is NOT worth that.

That's like at least 4-5 times the price I would have paid for simply one. But a single one for £50? That's absurd. I managed to get three Doomcalibur Knights for LESS than a single Battle Fader.

[pheano]

its only like $40 on ebay
thats not bad for a hyped card
i was expecting more

[Kraid]

its only like $40 on ebay
thats not bad for a hyped card
i was expecting more


I saw £51. I saw 3 Doomcaliber Knights go for £45 today.

WAY overpriced. Doomcaliber is harder to get hold off and MUCH more fun.

[pheano]

I saw £51. I saw 3 Doomcaliber Knights go for £45 today.

WAY overpriced. Doomcaliber is harder to get hold off and MUCH more fun.

dck was was 100$ over here when it first came out now its 50 bucks

[Kraid]

dck was was 100$ over here when it first came out now its 50 bucks

Yea, but I brought THREE today for the same price as ONE Battle Fader.

[pheano]

Yea, but I brought THREE today for the same price as ONE Battle Fader.

nice
for what though
binder or deck

[Kraid]

nice
for what though
binder or deck

both really. I could use them, but if I find no use for them, I can easily trade them off.

I got them for how cheap they were, So... yea.

[pheano]

both really. I could use them, but if I find no use for them, I can easily trade them off.

I got them for how cheap they were, So... yea.

did you get them for cash or trades?

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

I guess because Battle Fader is the ultimate save your ass card. It stops any potential damage from the Battle Phase while giving you a monster to potentially work with before the next attack. It even dodges Skill Drain and such, as special summoning and ending the battle phase are simultaneous and come from the hand. Let me put it this way: If this were the show, Battle Fader would be the card that saved Yugi's face from pain, giving him the obligatory one last turn he needs to pull the win. Sure, you have Trago or Gorz, but both can be overcome in the same battle phase and both require you to still take damage. In a nutshell, Battle Fader is powerful because it's so damn hard to combat.

As for Expense, it's new, it's good. Nothing too surprising.

Also, Hyunlei: Why was he needed? Synchros have enough speed to run over so many decks, why did they need to add a card that eliminated one of it's few weaknesses. Now that Synchros have their own Heavy Storm, I can't imagine any magic/trap based strategy or slowing method would work well anymore. Yes, Black Rose can do the same thing, but it's often a hefty price. With Hyunlei, OTKs become far more likely than with Black Rose. Oh well, at least he's X-Saber only.

[Limbo_lag]

Heh Colonel, you sure know your stuff. I had forgotten about negate atk and drastic dropoff being counter spells ;p

@ Kraid, yeah...new cards tend to be expensive. Apparently Oracle of the Sun is quite popular too. Reckon it'll get semi'ed sooner or later.

[Kraid]

So I played a tournament today. Got 5th because my friend REALLY played dishonestly.

I didn't call a judge for this. But he broke the rules of sidedecking.

He essentially looked at his Sidedeck, mixed it partly with his normal deck and then said "Nope, not side decking anything." He pulls out 15 cards.

Now normally I trust my friends, and believed he was being quite honest. However what he had done WAS Sidedeck againest me.

In good faith, knowing his deck was slightly weaker than mine, I didn't sidedeck either.

So Round 3 he plays all this shit that's not normally in my deck, stopping me completely. Worse: The cards that I would have sided out were in my hand, which meant that if I had sided out I COULD HAVE WON.

I wasn't going to be a bitch to my friend though. Though I was VERY pissed since I was the only person he did that to... and we're pretty much best friends. You can imagine my reaction afterwards. I WAS FURIOUS.

He came 1st. =/

But that's not the important thing. I pulled THIS from a Absolute powerforce pack today:

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w178/DarkRealmChaos/Image019.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w178/DarkRealmChaos/Image020.jpg

It came creased in my boosterpack, and that's the actual card itself plus it shows most the card + the white border that surrounds where the cards would be cut.

A startling discovery is that Meteor Flare comes after Nature's Reflection. Considering that Nature's Reflection is ABPF-EN065 and Meteor Flare is ABPF-EN067. We compared it to Machine King B.C. but the M was way to squashed. I kinda expected Serpent Suppression.

So that's an unexpected discovery. Plus the cards are printed on this white card with an INCREDIBLY thick border.

[Bloodsword83]

Well, there's nothing wrong with smokescreening, and there's nothing illegal about saying "Hey, I'm not going to side deck." and doing it anyway. The moral of the story: Always side deck.

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Actually, I think the moral of the story is people do dickish things. Those dickish things win tournaments. Such is the way of life.

[Bloodsword83]

If you side deck, you can avoid a lot of those dickish things. :P

[Kraid]

Well, there's nothing wrong with smokescreening, and there's nothing illegal about saying "Hey, I'm not going to side deck." and doing it anyway. The moral of the story: Always side deck.

Actually: It's in the rules to say if you're going to side deck or not. Likewise you're actually supposed to say how many cards you will side in and out. (You don't HAVE to show the opponent what cards he or she sidedecks.)

Likewise you're also supposed to show the sidedecking aswell. Otherwise you could cheat and make an easy 30 card side deck.

This has been something I was told by MANY a Yu-gi-oh judge. If you say "I will not Sidedeck" and you do, you can also get warned for bad sportsmanship.

Infact I had a TOURNAMENT ORGANIZER with me today AND a JUDGE (Who was playing unoffically, so he wasn't judging.) BOTH stated it was againest the rules.

I could have got him DQ'd for that. But being as he was actually one of my good friends, I didn't. I felt more cheated about the dishonesty. But the rules I've heard are pretty clear.

[SilvaKairi]

any ideas on the next ban list?

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Hmm...I get the feeling that Honest's time may be at hand. I predict limited. to what degree, I don't know

[pheano]

So I played a tournament today. Got 5th because my friend REALLY played dishonestly.

I didn't call a judge for this. But he broke the rules of sidedecking.

He essentially looked at his Sidedeck, mixed it partly with his normal deck and then said "Nope, not side decking anything." He pulls out 15 cards.

Now normally I trust my friends, and believed he was being quite honest. However what he had done WAS Sidedeck againest me.

In good faith, knowing his deck was slightly weaker than mine, I didn't sidedeck either.

So Round 3 he plays all this shit that's not normally in my deck, stopping me completely. Worse: The cards that I would have sided out were in my hand, which meant that if I had sided out I COULD HAVE WON.

I wasn't going to be a bitch to my friend though. Though I was VERY pissed since I was the only person he did that to... and we're pretty much best friends. You can imagine my reaction afterwards. I WAS FURIOUS.

He came 1st. =/

But that's not the important thing. I pulled THIS from a Absolute powerforce pack today:

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w178/DarkRealmChaos/Image019.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w178/DarkRealmChaos/Image020.jpg

It came creased in my boosterpack, and that's the actual card itself plus it shows most the card + the white border that surrounds where the cards would be cut.

A startling discovery is that Meteor Flare comes after Nature's Reflection. Considering that Nature's Reflection is ABPF-EN065 and Meteor Flare is ABPF-EN067. We compared it to Machine King B.C. but the M was way to squashed. I kinda expected Serpent Suppression.

So that's an unexpected discovery. Plus the cards are printed on this white card with an INCREDIBLY thick border.
it trade for that

[SilvaKairi]

good list
kinda killed the flow of my deck unfortunatly
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it trade for that

oh nos ,lol if that is the list i just got gamed XD

i run little city and i use both skill drain and royal oppression

lol i would literly quit if they ban dark arm

[pheano]

oh wait nvm looks like its a fake

After carefully looking at this in photoshop and looking at all the aspects of this image. I'm certain these scans are fake for several reasons.

1.) Once again the sleeves are hiding the fact this is shopped.
2.) The Mat is the same one used in the other fake scan.
3.) In Japan today no one who is a subscriber to V-Jump got it today.
4.) The two Yugi pics are recycled images of other magazine/articles.
5.) Kinokinuya in NYC who gets the V-Jumps at the same time as subscribers in Japan did not have the issue in stock yet. Which is proof that no one in Japan has it.

Congratulations you all got trolled it's a good fake list but a fake list none the least. The reason why Shriek hasn't posted up this list or confirmed it is because of what I stated above. If he thought this was the list or the possibility of this being the list he would have labeled it *unconfirmed list* he didn't confirm or deny it for good reason. The list is clearly fake my hats off to the troll who made the pic. If they had taken out the Mat and not used those pics I really would have believed them.

[Bloodsword83]

Actually: It's in the rules to say if you're going to side deck or not. Likewise you're actually supposed to say how many cards you will side in and out. (You don't HAVE to show the opponent what cards he or she sidedecks.)

[After going through the version 7.0 rulebook, Tournament Policies, and Penalty Guidlines, I can tell you that it says nothing to that effect.]

Likewise you're also supposed to show the sidedecking aswell. Otherwise you could cheat and make an easy 30 card side deck.

[See above.]

This has been something I was told by MANY a Yu-gi-oh judge. If you say "I will not Sidedeck" and you do, you can also get warned for bad sportsmanship.

[See above.]

Infact I had a TOURNAMENT ORGANIZER with me today AND a JUDGE (Who was playing unoffically, so he wasn't judging.) BOTH stated it was againest the rules.

[These judges are obviously not familiar with KDE Tournmanet Policy.]

I could have got him DQ'd for that. But being as he was actually one of my good friends, I didn't. I felt more cheated about the dishonesty. But the rules I've heard are pretty clear.

[Unsporting conduct only allows for DQ only under the following conditions:


A player intentionally draws an extra card from his Deck while his opponent is not looking.

A player intentionally conceals part of her field in an attempt to influence the opponent’s gameplay decisions.

A player intentionally withholds information on how a card works in order to trick the opponent into revealing additional information, in order to gain an unfair advantage.

A player intentionally marks a card or cards in his Deck.

A player offers his opponent cash or booster packs in exchange for the win.

A player accepts a bribe in exchange for a concession.

A player who has won the first game in a match intentionally plays slowly in order tostall for time.

A player pre-sets his Deck prior to a match (also called stacking the Deck) and does notsufficiently randomize his deck prior to presenting it to the opponent to randomize.

A spectator sends signals to a player during a match, concerning the contents of the opponent’s hand.

A player enters a tournament using a name or ID number that is not his or her own.]


I need 10 characters to post this. -_-

[pheano]

Lets get this started right with links
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New Image Added:
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Shriek: http://shriek.twoday.net/stories/6192267/

Restricted
Chaos Sorcerer
Tragoedia
Necro Guardna
Necroface
Mezuki
Lightlord Summoner - Lumina
Burial from a Different Dimension
Foolish Burial
Destiny Draw
Charge of the Light Brigade
Allure of Darkness
Mind Crush
Magical Explosion

Semi Restricted
Honest
Cyber Dragon
Demise - King of Armageddon
Dandelion
Treeborn Frog
Black Whirlwind
United We Stand
Royal Decree
Royal Oppression
Skill Drain

Unrestricted
Mask of Darkness
Smashing Ground



chinese version

新禁止
无

新限制
混沌巫师
特拉戈迪亚
死灵守卫者
死灵之颜
马头鬼
光道召唤师 露米娜丝
来自异次元的埋葬
愚蠢的埋葬
命运抽卡
光之援军
暗之诱惑
心灵崩坏
魔力爆发

新准限制
欧尼斯特
电子龙
终焉之王 迪米斯
蒲公英狮
黄泉青蛙
黑旋风
团结之力
王宫的通告
王宫的弹压
技能吸收

新解放
暗之假面
地碎

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Totally called the Honest. Trago doesn't surprise me either. Dandylion coming off may resurrect plant decks though

[Statistic]

Lightsworn still win games though. :3

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Hopefully not as much with Lumina and Honest restricted

[Statistic]

Hopefully not as much with Lumina and Honest restricted

The format is very slow. Lightsworn still have 3 Solar Recharge, 1 Charge of the Light Brigade, Reinforcement of the Army + milling. Also have Card Trooper. They win still. :3 Also Sangan makes a good replacement for 1 Lumina to search her out. Battle Fader could even be added in at 1 for protection and another dark for chaos sorcerer to go into twilight variants. Hell you could even throw in that 1 allure with Gorz and get even more draw power, it is even better this format, just doesnt explode into an OTK deck anymore like it did.

3 Wulf, Lightsworn Beast
3 Celestia, Lightsworn Angel
2 Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter
2 Lyla, Lightsworn Sorceress
2 Judgment Dragon
2 Aurkus, Lightsworn Druid
2 Honest
1 Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner
1 Chaos Sorcerer
1 Jain, Lightsworn Paladin
1 Necro Gardna
1 Garoth, Lightsworn Warrior
1 Card Trooper
1 Gorz the Emissary of Darkness
1 Plaguespreader Zombie

3 Solar Recharge
2 Gold Sarcophagus
1 Reinforcement of the Army
1 Heavy Storm
1 Mystical Space Typhoon
1 Cold Wave
1 Charge of the Light Brigade
1 Foolish Burial

2 Beckoning Light
2 Bottomless Trap Hole
1 Torrential Tribute

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Battle Fader makes for a poor Chaos Sorcerer fodder, given that it removes itself. Yes, you mill it, but I'd imagine there's better out there. LS is still gonna win a lot, but hopefully less with Necro, Honest, and Lumina all losing power. It's not like the deck's legs have been cut off, but it's still not as strong as before

[pheano]

The format is very slow. Lightsworn still have 3 Solar Recharge, 1 Charge of the Light Brigade, Reinforcement of the Army + milling. Also have Card Trooper. They win still. :3 Also Sangan makes a good replacement for 1 Lumina to search her out. Battle Fader could even be added in at 1 for protection and another dark for chaos sorcerer to go into twilight variants. Hell you could even throw in that 1 allure with Gorz and get even more draw power, it is even better this format, just doesnt explode into an OTK deck anymore like it did.

3 Wulf, Lightsworn Beast
3 Celestia, Lightsworn Angel
2 Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter
2 Lyla, Lightsworn Sorceress
2 Judgment Dragon
2 Aurkus, Lightsworn Druid
2 Honest
1 Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner
1 Chaos Sorcerer
1 Jain, Lightsworn Paladin
1 Necro Gardna
1 Garoth, Lightsworn Warrior
1 Card Trooper
1 Gorz the Emissary of Darkness
1 Plaguespreader Zombie

3 Solar Recharge
2 Gold Sarcophagus
1 Reinforcement of the Army
1 Heavy Storm
1 Mystical Space Typhoon
1 Cold Wave
1 Charge of the Light Brigade
1 Foolish Burial

2 Beckoning Light
2 Bottomless Trap Hole
1 Torrential Tribute
needs more magical merchant

[Statistic]

no thanks. card trooper does his job better

[pheano]

no thanks. card trooper does his job better

its a staple this format
im not even going to say trust me because its just a fact
i dont need to say "the sky is blue, trust me" cause its just a fact

[Statistic]

its a staple this format
im not even going to say trust me because its just a fact
i dont need to say "the sky is blue, trust me" cause its just a fact

lolno. not near a staple at ALL.

[pheano]

lolno. not near a staple at ALL.

tell that to David' on pojo i dare you

<DeathsAdvocate> (12:33:04 AM) face down
<Game> (12:33:05 AM) David` has flipped Magical Merchant over
<Game> (12:33:06 AM) David` discarded Honest from the top of their deck.
<Game> (12:33:07 AM) David` discarded Wulf, Lightsworn Beast from the top of their deck.
<Game> (12:33:07 AM) David` discarded Judgment Dragon from the top of their deck.
<Game> (12:33:08 AM) David` discarded Jain, Lightsworn Paladin from the top of their deck.
<Game> (12:33:08 AM) David` discarded Heavy Storm from the top of their deck.
<Game> (12:33:10 AM) David` is looking at their graveyard
<Game> (12:33:12 AM) David` put Heavy Storm in their hand from Graveyard


rofl.
Storm and a Wulf.
Merchant = best card.

[Statistic]

tell that to David' on pojo i dare you

pojo is full of scrubs, occasionlly you can find someone good on there..but thats rare.

[pheano]

pojo is full of scrubs, occasionlly you can find someone good on there..but thats rare.

did you just call david a scrub
lol

[Statistic]

did you just call david a scrub
lol

Who is David? o.O;

[pheano]

Who is David? o.O;

one the best players out there
probably one of the top 10 yvd players
innovative smart and breaks any deck he picks up

[Bloodsword83]

David who? What's his last name? Is he a regular on the SJC scene?

[pheano]

David who? What's his last name? Is he a regular on the SJC scene?

no thats his username
david'
formerly known as cloud strife

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

First 'Cloud Strife', then 'David'?....Mans creative

[pheano]

First 'Cloud Strife', then 'David'?....Mans creative

his user names arent but his decks are

[Statistic]

one the best players out there
probably one of the top 10 yvd players
innovative smart and breaks any deck he picks up

Right...I would have heard about him if he were that good, besides, why isn't he winning SJCs if hes so 'good'?
EDIT: I looked into who it was, I know him, Carbon on DGZ. Yeah, he's good. But doesn't make shit broken, just good. He actually lives by me. Like 10 minutes away...

[pheano]

Right...I would have heard about him if he were that good, besides, why isn't he winning SJCs if hes so 'good'?
EDIT: I looked into who it was, I know him, Carbon on DGZ. Yeah, he's good. But doesn't make shit broken, just good. He actually lives by me. Like 10 minutes away...

i think he plays more online than irl since he has a social life and a job ect ect
if he wanted to though i think he could top a jump fairly easy

[Statistic]

i think he plays more online than irl since he has a social life and a job ect ect
if he wanted to though i think he could top a jump fairly easy

No, he plays IRL a lot actually. Trust me, hes good but not as good as you dick ride him to be.

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Guys, guys, guys, can we lay off the petty arguing and focus on the issue at hand? We must unite to ban the most broken of all meta deck types: Toons!

[pheano]

Guys, guys, guys, can we lay off the petty arguing and focus on the issue at hand? We must unite to ban the most broken of all meta deck types: Toons!

i made a toon otk deck once
toon dmg otk ftw
it was surprisingly fast just not enough draw power back then

[Marco]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/130/329901087_cb5a031002.jpg

[ArgyleNinja]

Yeah, I used to play. I had this one stall combo when playing against friends, I'd use Buster Blader and DNA Surgery and make my opponent's Monsters Dragon-type, and give BB an epic boost, then use him to hold off until I got Exodia.

Man, those were the days.

[Kraid]

Fortune Ladies 3.0

2 Tragoedia

1 Dark Armed Dragon
2 Chaos Sorceror

3 Fortune Lady Dark
2 Fortune Lady Water
1 Fortune Lady Fire
3 Fortune Lady Light
2 Thunder King Rai-oh
1 Plaguespreader Zombie
2 Sunny Pixie
1 Kinka-Byo

3 Future Visions
2 Fortune's Future
2 Allure of Darkness
2 Magical Dimension
1 Heavy Storm
1 Mystical Space Typhoon
1 Brain Control
1 One for One

3 Compulsory Evacuation Device
2 Bottomless Traphole
1 Torrential Tribute
1 Mirror Force
1 Solemn Judgement
1 Call of the Haunted

For March: -1 Tragoedia, -1 Chaos Sorceror, -1 Allure of Darkness
+1 ?, +1 ?, +1 Gold Sarcophagus.

Welcome to the new Fortune Lady Deck! As you can see from my like 2.X build, it's become alot more refined and contains elements from my never posted 1.X with my 2.X build.

Big changes from last time:

1. Added in Dark Armed Dragon. Too many people yell at me at my local area at the moment for 'holding back' and not unleashing this beast. They asked for it, they got it. Plus I think I can play this.

2. Added in another Chaos Sorceror. I actually had 2 in my original 1.0 build and originally thought of putting in DAD aswell. But my friend who likes to go to all these big shot tournaments was like "No, don't do that." These days I realise he's trying to hold me back even more. The main reason I originally took it out though was because I was always dead drawing it SOMEHOW. Now I looked back at my original deck list and I see why.

3. Removal of Fortune Lady Earth and Wind. I wanted to remove Earth since it was bad. However I bit the bullet and removed Wind. I love Wind, but so many people chain stuff. Plus most the time Wind just sat dead in the hand. So both removed.

4. Majority of my original tuners removed including my favourite 'Mist Valley Shaman' pick. The idea was nice, but testing proved that alot of them just didn't like to work.

5. Sunny Pixie added. It's One for One searchable, it's a tuner and more Light for Chaos Sorceror. Not only that, but it's recyclable with Kinka-Byo and can easily turn a expended Tragoedia into good stuff.

6. Removal of Exemplar, Cyber Valley and Summoner Monk. I loved the Cyber Valley even if it didn't work with Light (God I'm so SICK of people telling me that. I KNEW THE RULING BEFORE I EVEN PLAYED VALLEY IN MY DECK.) But I wanted space mainly. Monk never really worked outside of Flamvell and Exemplar just refused to even bother working.

7. Added in a Third Visions. Again, in my 1.X deck, I had 3 Visions but was deading them. However I also realised my deck WANTS the Visions. So I'd rather play three and risk dead later, than run two and not have the control.

8. Removal of Gold Sarcophagus and Mind Control. Gold Sarcophagus is gone due to space. Mind Control... well I don't have as many tuners or the Valleys anymore. So they get cut simply.

9. Added in 1 more Compulsory Evacuation Device and 2 Bottomlesses. This time I worked backwards: I knew I wanted to remake the fortune lady deck, looked at the biggest threats and versatility. I wanted the Bottomless Trapholes for sure this time around, as Rescue Cat + Airbellum is EXTREMELY popular in my area, as are Gladiator Beasts. Both decks are barely getting touched by the list also. Synchros hate these, so they go in. Simple as.

FAQ:

Why no Rai-Mei or Apprentice Magician?

Apprentice Magician may go into the March deck, being able to search the Pixie or Light is really good. Rai-Mei, I just don't own any off. This is why I have Thunder Kings however: Even though I own no Rai-Mei, Thunder King gets rid of those Cyber Dragons or synchros aswell as forcing the opponent into a situation with Future Visions on the field.

Were you high when you made the first two crappy versions of this deck?

Defining High: I am on the top floor of my house when I made them. That's... quite high I suppose. But no, I was not 'on drugs' if that's what you mean.

I wanted to experiment. Yea, looking at them they were crappy. And it took me FIFTH PLACE to realise how bad it truly was.

You suck.

That's not a question, that's a false statement.

Why Fortune Ladies?

Why not Fortune Ladies? Lightsworn became boring and I have the cards for Fortune Ladies. It's like why do you insist on these questions?

Because I have no life outside of these. Besides! I'm You!

How can you be so sure on that?

Because you're the only one typing this and no one has asked an FAQ on you before.

Can you prove that?

Well... you did used to mod a Yu-gi-oh forum.

Exactly. Did you see what I've done here though?

No.

Now I'm asking you the questions! How does it feel to suddenly become the answeree?

... I'LL GET YOU FOR THIS SOME DAY!

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Kraid, I have a request. You mentioned a while ago about a Ritual deck. Care to build one? (No specifics, I just would like to see what it looks like)

[pheano]

Fortune Ladies 3.0

2 Tragoedia

1 Dark Armed Dragon
2 Chaos Sorceror

3 Fortune Lady Dark
2 Fortune Lady Water
1 Fortune Lady Fire
3 Fortune Lady Light
2 Thunder King Rai-oh
1 Plaguespreader Zombie
2 Sunny Pixie
1 Kinka-Byo

3 Future Visions
2 Fortune's Future
2 Allure of Darkness
2 Magical Dimension
1 Heavy Storm
1 Mystical Space Typhoon
1 Brain Control
1 One for One

3 Compulsory Evacuation Device
2 Bottomless Traphole
1 Torrential Tribute
1 Mirror Force
1 Solemn Judgement
1 Call of the Haunted

looks pretty solid over all
only thing i would do is drop sun pixie and byo for 2 kycoo and another raioh

also i found magical dimension to be far to situational to be useful, your better off with compulsory

i think dropping the allure for a sarco would be a good choice
sarco works amazing in the deck

needs dustshoot

if you would i ill post my build for reference
its version 3.4
im planing one last update this week and then it will be done
so far its consistently winning on the 4-5th turn
with an average hand size of 8-12 cards after "exploding" with card advantage

[Limbo_lag]

Trago and Chaos are gonna be put to one soon dood. Latest banlist is rather QQ :/ Lumina is at 1 and honest is at 2 for those LS runners.

[pheano]

Trago and Chaos are gonna be put to one soon dood. Latest banlist is rather QQ :/ Lumina is at 1 and honest is at 2 for those LS runners.

they took about 7 cards from ls i think but it still is a top deck
this format is projected to be bw gb and ls

[Jirachi]

Yet what about the up-and-coming X-Sabers? I mean, they were a decent deck before ABPF in the last banlist, and this new one does not harm X-Sabers at all. Super-Nimble Mega Hamster, XX-Saber Emmersblade, XX-Saber Hyunlei, and Saber Hole (well, Garsem too I suppose) seem to be pretty good support to me. The problem is that these new ABPF X-Sabers are expensive.

[pheano]

Yet what about the up-and-coming X-Sabers? I mean, they were a decent deck before ABPF in the last banlist, and this new one does not harm X-Sabers at all. Super-Nimble Mega Hamster, XX-Saber Emmersblade, XX-Saber Hyunlei, and Saber Hole (well, Garsem too I suppose) seem to be pretty good support to me. The problem is that these new ABPF X-Sabers are expensive.

they seem good
expect them at the top tables

[Kraid]

Annoying that X-Sabers still have their Fautroll infinite. I like how they remove other infinites or remove them so they have no benefical effects (Like Manticore.)

I just don't like my hand getting graped. Although recently I've found it not much of a problem at all.

Well eitherway I do hope X-Sabers make it near the top. I don't play them, but it's a nice change of pace.

[pheano]

Annoying that X-Sabers still have their Fautroll infinite. I like how they remove other infinites or remove them so they have no benefical effects (Like Manticore.)

I just don't like my hand getting graped. Although recently I've found it not much of a problem at all.

Well eitherway I do hope X-Sabers make it near the top. I don't play them, but it's a nice change of pace.

its too bad that they took a major blow from the last 2 ban lists
putting one for one and cotlb at 1 hurt the consistency of the deck so much

is that misprint for trade?

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

I dunno, I still expect Hyunlei to make at least a small splash, given the whole close to Heavy Storm thing and fixing a weakness of Synchros thing. Yeah, people can chain stuff, but that's still usually setting them off early enough that you can adapt.

[OkamiPT]

New Banlist for TCG is Out...Opinions?

[Lichtgestalt]

because the price i left THE GAME (the game)

[Kraid]

its too bad that they took a major blow from the last 2 ban lists
putting one for one and cotlb at 1 hurt the consistency of the deck so much

is that misprint for trade?

I haven't decided yet. I need to see what offers I could get for it. I don't even know how to price this misprint.

Checking on Ebay, there are no other misprints like it. Usually they're just "Missing name", "Offcentered name", "Rainbow Dragon = Chaos Neos" (Which I already own), and other such like it. But not one where the the cutting was completely diagonal...

Which is weird because I've not seen any other misprint like it. But I'm sure there should be more as it shows the actual card the card is printed on, and plus more cards SHOULD be like this. I'm sure that there's a Meteor Flare out there missing the top corner of the card.

So if you can come up with a value for this misprint, we can talk about trades. I don't know if I can even call it mint, since it was bent and creased INSIDE the boosterpack, but the actual card itself is much bigger than the boosterpack, so in order to fit it WOULD need to be creased. Iy's also bigger than a toploader... so transport could be difficult aswell.

[pheano]

I haven't decided yet. I need to see what offers I could get for it. I don't even know how to price this misprint.

Checking on Ebay, there are no other misprints like it. Usually they're just "Missing name", "Offcentered name", "Rainbow Dragon = Chaos Neos" (Which I already own), and other such like it. But not one where the the cutting was completely diagonal...

Which is weird because I've not seen any other misprint like it. But I'm sure there should be more as it shows the actual card the card is printed on, and plus more cards SHOULD be like this. I'm sure that there's a Meteor Flare out there missing the top corner of the card.

So if you can come up with a value for this misprint, we can talk about trades. I don't know if I can even call it mint, since it was bent and creased INSIDE the boosterpack, but the actual card itself is much bigger than the boosterpack, so in order to fit it WOULD need to be creased. Iy's also bigger than a toploader... so transport could be difficult aswell.

miss prints are generally worth 10-20% more the regular price of the card
like my misprint dad that has the top hold English and the bottom half italian is only a few dollars more
i used to have the rainbow neos
sold it to a dealer that had never seen it before and didnt know the value of it so i ripped him off lol

[Kraid]

miss prints are generally worth 10-20% more the regular price of the card
like my misprint dad that has the top hold English and the bottom half italian is only a few dollars more
i used to have the rainbow neos
sold it to a dealer that had never seen it before and didnt know the value of it so i ripped him off lol



I know that much. However as I said: This is a VERY different misprint.

Ah well. If it's only worth 10-20% more, I don't see any reason to really trade it.

[pheano]

I know that much. However as I said: This is a VERY different misprint.

Ah well. If it's only worth 10-20% more, I don't see any reason to really trade it.

alright let me know when you know what you value it at
^^
most misprints are very different
thats the point
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New Banlist for TCG is Out...Opinions?

once starlight road is out this is going to be a good format

[Bloodsword83]

New Banlist for TCG is Out...Opinions?

I'm going to predict the return of Tomato Control feat. Cyber Dragon. As for me, I'll play Gravekeepers, as always.

5th Gadget may make an appearance since Smashing Ground is back to 3.

With more than one Treeborn Frog, we may see a resurgence of Monarch decks.

When are we going to get an anti-synchro card like Non-Fusion Area? Personally, I don't care for the concept of Synchros.

[pheano]

tomato control isnt coming back
the format isnt that slow
its going to be bw gb and ls again untill starlight road comes out

[Limbo_lag]

Lumina and Charge at 1. Honest at 2. I do believe that LS have finally got their long awaited nerf :(

[Wedge]

Lumina and Charge at 1. Honest at 2. I do believe that LS have finally got their long awaited nerf :(

You also forgot to note that Necro is down to 1 as well for LS as well.
About fucking time. I was really tired of LS's bullshit wins they pulled out of their asses. Well they can still do it but its not as consistent.

As a person who abstains from top tier decks I'm pretty pleased at the ban list except Blackwings and the rest of the Synchro crazy decks are left unchecked. Sure Gale has been at 1 but they still have a retarded advantage grabbing arsenal.

Honest at 2 bums me out, but hes been asking for it for a while. :P

Cyber at 2 makes me feel mixed. Its great such a versatile card is back but the reason it was limited was because of its Synchro potential which in turn makes me worry that every joe-schmoe is gonna Stardust/Brionac/whatever on turn 1 or 2 more frequently.
Treeborn at 2 scares me. O.o so much Combo-Potential...

One less Decree makes me happy. I'd say I might be able to play my CF a bit easier in this format especially with all the draw speed nerfs the top decks have taken.

[Kraid]

Cyber at 2 makes me feel mixed. Its great such a versatile card is back but the reason it was limited was because of its Synchro potential which in turn makes me worry that every joe-schmoe is gonna Stardust/Brionac/whatever on turn 1 or 2 more frequently.
Treeborn at 2 scares me. O.o so much Combo-Potential...


I don't think Cyber at 2 makes much difference except for ... well.. Cyber Dragon decks. It was easy even without Cyber Dragon to get a first turn synchro with Instant Fusion/The Tricky/Vice Dragon/Oracle of the Sun. Cyber Dragon coming back won't be to much of an issue on how fast alot of stuff is.

I like that Fifth Gadget can return. Plan to remake Fifth Gadget asap. They tried to steralize it in the past, but now all the nesscery components are back + now we have synchros. Looking forward to working this.

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Personally, I'm glad that Cyber's at 2 now, but I'd rather it be at 3. Not because it's powerful or anything, but because I hate when they ban cards that make other cards literally unplayable (like Avatar of the Pot and in this case Cyber Twin/End Dragon). As for Cyber itself, I can't tell you how many times I've drawn a Cyber Dragon and immediately thought to myself 'I really wish you were The Tricky', whose is infinity better in my honest opinion. I can tell you that going up against a pure Synchro deck for a year or two now Tricky is waaaaay better than Cyber

[Jirachi]

Funny thing is that right before the new banlist came out I traded a Cyber Dragon for a couple of Goblin Zombies.

...And yes, I do regret it. This new format I'll try to build X-Sabers (not the loop though, I think the loop is inconsistent for my tastes, I want the general swarmy one. Might that work out better?)

Til then though, I am sticking with my Morphtronics, who have lasted me 2 formats already! I love them so...

[Reaperfan]

Thought I'd share this (http://www.yugiohnetwork.com/Default.aspx) with the people here. A friend showed this to me a while back and I found it interesting, but basically its free online dueling and all cards are available to anyone! Interface is a little glitchy at times, but nothing too serious.

Dunno if this has been posted yet so please forgive me if it has, I'm just too impatient to look through 21 pages of discussion at the moment :(.

[SilvaKairi]

lol thx to the ban list i will enjoy watching all them lightsworn people Suffer :D

though it hardly effected my littlecity deck, honest is just to pump my beatstickers up while i only use 2 skill drain and royal oppression due to constant dead draw.

[Statistic]

lol thx to the ban list i will enjoy watching all them lightsworn people Suffer :D

though it hardly effected my littlecity deck, honest is just to pump my beatstickers up while i only use 2 skill drain and royal oppression due to constant dead draw.

Too bad you won't be seeing them suffer seeing as how there still a top deck of the new format...

[pheano]

until starlight road

[Jirachi]

*shrugs* They'd still be decent but admit it, Lightsworns got hurt a lot. I kind of predict an X-Saber format, though it's too early to say.

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

You know what would be cool?




CLEAR WORLD DECK!!

(Note: Cards listed are cards I can actually afford and use, so don't tell me I need to add Sarcophagus, I can't)

3 Lava Golem*
3 Reflect Bounder*
1 Spirit Reaper
1 Tragoedia

3 Chain Energy*
2 Toll
3 Clear World*
2 Terraforming*
2 Tribute to the Doomed
1 Back to Square One

3 Dimension Wall*
3 Zoma*
1 Magic Cylinder*
2 Secret Barrel
3 Dark Bribe
3 DNA Transplant*
2 Forced Back
3 Compulsory

The main idea is thus: Abuse Clear World by not having any monsters and giving your opponent a Lava Golem that he is forced to work with, netting him 2000 points of damage a turn.

Reflective Burn cards like Cylinders and ZOma are in because your opponent will be in a big rush to kill you before His (Maximum) 3 turns are up. Zoma and the like allow me to abuse their 3000 point monster(Particularly with zoma, since he can mobilize towards hitting Golem, as well as giving me a monster to defend with)

Chain Energy is in there to help limit the speed of potential killing. if your opponent can swarm the field using a few cards from their hand, Chain Energy, a Wind DNA Transplant(DNA transplant there for obvious reasons), and a reflective burn card are usually enough to make people think twice, especially if I can Golem their swarm. Toll is in for a similar manner, but since I want them attacking, it's not as important.

Every once in a while, you'll need another final push for that last burn. That's where Secret Barrel comes in.

You may notice that the deck is rather trap heavy as well as burn heavy. I've included 3 Dark Bribes for Heavy Storming, Forced Back for Jinzo and opponent monster control, and Compulsory for the same, but also for Special summoning waves. Why Bounce? Because bounce is a very effective way of getting rid of Prime Material, at least for a bit. Maybe replaced with Dimensional Prison when I get the chance

I won't lie to you, I have been toying around with this idea for a while. This is the first draft of the concept(that I'm sure someone has already made), so a lot of it is going to change. I am open to suggestions, but remember that out of all of Clear World's attribute afflictions, the least damaging to me are Dark and (currently)Wind.

The other aspect of the build is to included Consecrated light and other powerful Attribute specific cards, using DNA transplant

Cards with *'s next to them are the core of the deck. I can't/won't get rid of them, though I may alter their numbers. Everything else is expendable

[Bloodsword83]

until starlight road


My humble opinion, but I don't think you can count on a card that seems so situational in it's use to make a format.

[Limbo_lag]

You also forgot to note that Necro is down to 1 as well for LS as well.
About fucking time. I was really tired of LS's bullshit wins they pulled out of their asses. Well they can still do it but its not as consistent.


LS were NEVER consistent to begin with. You should experience the rage of drawing 3 Wulfs and no Recharges.

Anyway, I'm a bit curious, what is a good deck size for LS? I've heard that 42-43 is acceptable, although I'd like to get a second opinion on this...also, is it worth swapping out Glorious Illusions for Wabokus given that necro is now at 1 (due to speed issues)? This is, of course, assuming that Celestia is your only win condition...ie. that JD is a bit too expensive ><

[OkamiPT]

LS were NEVER consistent to begin with. You should experience the rage of drawing 3 Wulfs and no Recharges.

Anyway, I'm a bit curious, what is a good deck size for LS? I've heard that 42-43 is acceptable, although I'd like to get a second opinion on this...also, is it worth swapping out Glorious Illusions for Wabokus given that necro is now at 1 (due to speed issues)? This is, of course, assuming that Celestia is your only win condition...ie. that JD is a bit too expensive ><

You really want to use Waboku on a Format where GBs are going to be Almost King? do you really want to do that?!?! ....
Roar > Waboku

What you play LS with 3 Wulfs? Are you Insane ;D? LS Plays 2 Wulfs and that is Enough...but with the new list Pure LS is dead and Hail to LS Engine x3

[Limbo_lag]

So....I should not run wabokus simply because of GB's...? Not everyone runs a GB deck, you realise. Also, 3 Wulfs are godly, especially when foolish'ed - I just said it was inconsistent, you rarely (read:NEVER) draw all 3.

Back to my question tho, 40-43...whats a good deck size for LS?

[Bloodsword83]

I remember way back when, when I had an experiment with a 60 card LS deck. It was interesting.

As far as Waboku goes, I've always liked Threatening Roar better for stopping my opponent. Stops any nasty tricks like GBs and Zanji.

But honestly, Limbo, you should test out different sizes for yourself. Every deck is different, you know?

[OkamiPT]

So....I should not run wabokus simply because of GB's...? Not everyone runs a GB deck, you realise. Also, 3 Wulfs are godly, especially when foolish'ed - I just said it was inconsistent, you rarely (read:NEVER) draw all 3.

Back to my question tho, 40-43...whats a good deck size for LS?

ok what is the part of that Banlist being a GB Returning thing that you didnt get? even with the Arrival of Starlight Road is going to make GBs even more strong that they already were. But yes not everyone one will run a GB deck but...90% of People will run a GB deck so..Expect being pwned by that..Besides there are Better cards than Waboku for other decks...Roar, D.Prison and such D:

40 to 43 is MOre than enough

[Statistic]

GBs wont be anywhere near 'king' of this format. GBs get over hyped each new format, same with monarchs, then in 3 months, they will fail and become a more 'fun' deck while losing in big events. GBs jsut wont ever be what they were, sorry folks.

[OkamiPT]

Still is giving Instant win to a GB user using Waboku on a deck...but ok...

Anyway yes I was kinda exagerating when I said that still I dont believe in Early Overrating...I mean LS was always Bashed down in all Events and Started to Win Slowly so keep your mind on that. Besides that....I'm Running something arround the Machina x3 pwns hard

[pheano]

every format you always see half the community go "GB format" or Monarch Format" the instant they see the list
you think they would learn by now

[Bloodsword83]

every format you always see half the community go "GB format" or Monarch Format" the instant they see the list
you think they would learn by now

I'm not saying it'll be a "monarch format", but getting another Treeborn Frog is one of the best things that could happen to the deck, aside from getting back the other two Brain Control.

[pheano]

monarchs arent coming back any time soon
there are better decks avalible first of all
second of all their to slow now
if anything well see a lightsworn monarchsih deck before they come back because celestia poa decks abuse is absurdly better

[Bloodsword83]

monarchs arent coming back any time soon
there are better decks avalible first of all
second of all their to slow now
if anything well see a lightsworn monarchsih deck before they come back because celestia poa decks abuse is absurdly better

I'm sure that some people will play monarchs again.

[pheano]

im talking about what becomes a standard deck for the format
i dont care what random people that go 4-4 play

[OkamiPT]

Possible decks could be

Krystiasworn
Machina Based ( This sounds a bit Off but if you check the cards on that Structured deck you will see a potential on it...besides a friend of mine won a Entire Local with Machina-Town Taking care of LS, Zombies and all decks of the Old Format...so...)
others but lets wait untill SJC like every "Pro" does xD

[pheano]

the top tier is going to be bw ls and gb at least
then when starlight road comes out the metagame is going to change allot

[OkamiPT]

the top tier is going to be bw ls and gb at least
then when starlight road comes out the metagame is going to change allot

Blackwing Suck Ballz D: Black Wirlind at 2, Allure at 1, Blackwing Treasure being the Biggest Fail ever Designed and the Syncro its just as Failure as FFXIII. O believe more in GBs than on Blackwings...but of course Blackwings users are Normaly Stackers so....

[pheano]

Blackwing Suck Ballz D: Black Wirlind at 2, Allure at 1, Blackwing Treasure being the Biggest Fail ever Designed and the Syncro its just as Failure as FFXIII. O believe more in GBs than on Blackwings...but of course Blackwings users are Normaly Stackers so....

black wings were barely hurt by the list
they lost a few cards
bw is going to be top until road comes out
and then their going to get another buff when shining darkness comes out with a new tunner the replaces the lost glaes

[OkamiPT]

black wings were barely hurt by the list
they lost a few cards
bw is going to be top until road comes out
and then their going to get another buff when shining darkness comes out with a new tunner the replaces the lost glaes

What are they going to Come up with Such lovely tuner? as good as Black Feather Dragon is? xD Anyway the Shining Darkness Spoiler has been confirmed so...Meh Only if it is a Fail TCG Exclusive (Yes 99% of Them are Fail...)

[Bloodsword83]

Opinions on Samurai? I think they could make a decent showing.

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

I'm surprised that I haven't seen more Dark Simourghs running around

[pheano]

I'm surprised that I haven't seen more Dark Simourghs running around
decks based around it tend to lack a win situation
against most top tier decks its neigh imposible to get them in a lock with it between honest/kalut and people already having face downs when you play it
good card on paper but in practice the deck doesnt work well
dark and wind dont complement each other well

Opinions on Samurai? I think they could make a decent showing.

im expecting to see a good amount of them after the format shift from starlight road
get your sams now before they go up in price

[OkamiPT]

decks based around it tend to lack a win situation
against most top tier decks its neigh imposible to get them in a lock with it between honest/kalut and people already having face downs when you play it
good card on paper but in practice the deck doesnt work well
dark and wind dont complement each other well


im expecting to see a good amount of them after the format shift from starlight road
get your sams now before they go up in price

I think Samurais are Dead for good

[pheano]

I think Samurais are Dead for good

=/
between gateway, the ban list, and road their top tier again

what stop sams?
mass removal
what does road do?
stops mass removal
do the math

[OkamiPT]

3x Dust Tornado and 3x Breakers, 3x Fissure, 3x Smashing...Any questions?

[pheano]

3x Dust Tornado and 3x Breakers, 3x Fissure, 3x Smashing...Any questions?

ya thats great on paper but in practice decks like that are outpaced by meta decks

[Kraid]

3x Smash and 3x Fissure are only good in Gadget Decks...

And don't tell me Gadgets are 'good on paper.' =/

[pheano]

3x Smash and 3x Fissure are only good in Gadget Decks...

And don't tell me Gadgets are 'good on paper.' =/

their like the best anti meta but its anti meta, meta is always beter
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also gadgets were really hurt by cydra going to 2 so ya

[OkamiPT]

ya thats great on paper but in practice decks like that are outpaced by meta decks

lol Tell that when you get raped by that waiting for someone to Mass Destroy anything to Use Road...I mean Road is good but people will find someway to make it useless...

[Kraid]

their like the best anti meta but its anti meta, meta is always beter
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also gadgets were really hurt by cydra going to 2 so ya

I'm not entirely to sure on that. Sure they were hurt quite a bit. But eh, I'll take what I get.

Besides: Gadgets are still extremely versatile. Yea they're anti-meta, but they're still very nice to play. Hm... note to self: Bug Robbie to fix my Gadget deck.

I just want to note: Am I right thinking that Stardust summoned by Road doesn't keep coming back yea? So essentially you can negate up to two things with Stardust Dragon quite easily. (One for Road, one for Stardust.) Just making sure because there are people in my area who believe Starlight Road can keep continiously bringning Stardust Dragon back.

But it's still a ridiciously good card.

[pheano]

lol Tell that when you get raped by that waiting for someone to Mass Destroy anything to Use Road...I mean Road is good but people will find someway to make it useless...

but i dont play road
=/
im just aware of its implications on the meta

[OkamiPT]

I'm not entirely to sure on that. Sure they were hurt quite a bit. But eh, I'll take what I get.

Besides: Gadgets are still extremely versatile. Yea they're anti-meta, but they're still very nice to play. Hm... note to self: Bug Robbie to fix my Gadget deck.


That's because he never heard of Machina Mayhem Structured deck -_- that deck can make +2 Without you even Noticing..that deck was really great for Machine users...its only Weakness...Cyber Fortress Dragon D:


but i dont play road
=/
im just aware of its implications on the meta

Even without playing it you will have a plan to counter it right?

[pheano]

I'm not entirely to sure on that. Sure they were hurt quite a bit. But eh, I'll take what I get.

Besides: Gadgets are still extremely versatile. Yea they're anti-meta, but they're still very nice to play. Hm... note to self: Bug Robbie to fix my Gadget deck.

i havent talked to robbie in forever
i should message him some time

not saying their a bad deck
but there are beter choices is all

if your going to play control then just play gb is how i see it

[Kraid]

Interesting ruling:

* Royal Oppression: "Royal Oppression" may negate the effect of "Starlight Road", even though it is unknown at activation whether or not "Starlight Road" will Special Summon "Stardust Dragon". "Royal Oppression" may negate the effect of "Starlight Road" even if "Stardust Dragon" may not be Special Summoned, such as if "Vanity's Fiend" is on the field or if there is no "Stardust Dragon" in the Extra Deck.[12]

I just thought that's really interesting...

[pheano]

That's because he never heard of Machina Mayhem Structured deck -_- that deck can make +2 Without you even Noticing..that deck was really great for Machine users...its only Weakness...Cyber Fortress Dragon D:



Even without playing it you will have a plan to counter it right?
not sure yet my deck is prepared for meta decks right now since its still in the beta stages
ive played against gadget before and it faired fairly well

went 7-1 i think against my friend's

[OkamiPT]

Interesting ruling:

* Royal Oppression: "Royal Oppression" may negate the effect of "Starlight Road", even though it is unknown at activation whether or not "Starlight Road" will Special Summon "Stardust Dragon". "Royal Oppression" may negate the effect of "Starlight Road" even if "Stardust Dragon" may not be Special Summoned, such as if "Vanity's Fiend" is on the field or if there is no "Stardust Dragon" in the Extra Deck.[12]

I just thought that's really interesting...


Still Starlight Road has 2 Effects...1 Negating and 2 SS...Royal Opression Negates only the Second one...


not sure yet my deck is prepared for meta decks right now since its still in the beta stages
ive played against gadget before and it faired fairly well

went 7-1 i think against my friend's

that's a Nice Result..what deck are you Running?

I'm running a Machina Gadget...seems interesting ;3 with a friend of mine I did still a 3-0 but my friend was with some random Sh1t thing -_- so It doesnt count

[pheano]

Interesting ruling:

* Royal Oppression: "Royal Oppression" may negate the effect of "Starlight Road", even though it is unknown at activation whether or not "Starlight Road" will Special Summon "Stardust Dragon". "Royal Oppression" may negate the effect of "Starlight Road" even if "Stardust Dragon" may not be Special Summoned, such as if "Vanity's Fiend" is on the field or if there is no "Stardust Dragon" in the Extra Deck.[12]

I just thought that's really interesting...

ya i saw that last week
ive been seeing some more people side it lately

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Clear World Deck (Made but not finished)

2 Lava Golem
1 Volcanic Queen
1 Fog King

3 Reflect Bounder
3 Blast Sphere
1 Spirit Reaper
1 Thunder King Rai-Oh

1 Back to Square One
1 Lightning Vortex
2 Terraforming
2 Creature Swap
1 Brain Control
2 Chain Energy
1 Scapegoat
1 Clear World
1 Swords
1 Smashing
1 Heavy Storm

1 Magic Cylinder
3 Dimension Wall
2 DNA Transplant
1 Waboku
2 Compulsory
1 Dark Bribe
1 Call of the Haunted
3 ZOma the Spirit

This is the deck as I have it now. Stuff to address

Fog King: Lava Golems are the core of this deck. But back in older formats, people would just tribute him away after the first bit of damage. Thing is, now most people rely on Synchros and cards that special summon themselves for their beef, leaving normal tributes by the wayside. Because Lava is an 8 Star, people will be wanting to sacrifice him as soon as possible, since he can't be tuned with anything currently. That's where Fog King comes in. He's an easy summon, negates Tributing in general, and is a 0/0, which almost BEGS people to attack. He also combos well with....

Volcanic Queen:Lava Golem's 2 monster cost can be hard to get out some times. His little sister however, s much easier, but comes with a few drabacks, like being able to be Synchroed, able deal damage to you via burn, and to block it's self burning effect via monster tributes. At this moment, it's there for substitution purposes, but I thought I'd give it a shot in the meantime.

Clear World: AS the star of the deck, seems weird that I only have it at one. Rest assured, it's because I only have one at the moment. The second I can, 2 more are going in and a Terraforming or two will be headed out.

Thunder King Rai-oh: An odd choice, but in this day and age, speed is king. By already giving my opponent a 3000 to work with, I make OTKs that much more possible. Thunder King, in addition to being strong beef, is also a good way to selectively stop special summoning

[OkamiPT]

Maybe you Should do a Clear World Burn using the effect of Lava Golem to put it on the Opponent's field you should be able to do a Double Burn Damage ( His effect and CLear World's Effect)

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

That was already the focus of the deck

[Limbo_lag]

Interesting ruling:

* Royal Oppression: "Royal Oppression" may negate the effect of "Starlight Road", even though it is unknown at activation whether or not "Starlight Road" will Special Summon "Stardust Dragon". "Royal Oppression" may negate the effect of "Starlight Road" even if "Stardust Dragon" may not be Special Summoned, such as if "Vanity's Fiend" is on the field or if there is no "Stardust Dragon" in the Extra Deck.[12]

I just thought that's really interesting...

So you're saying that Royal Op would block the summoning of stardust regardless of whether it is summoned or not? Can it negate the negation effect of starlight road? Methinks it may have something to do with the timing. Take for example magical dimension - it works by "summon then destroy". Whereas starlight road is "negate (and destroy) then summon". Perhaps it is this order of events which allows Royal Op to negate starlight road?

Speaking of which, can you chain a Royal Op to magical dimension if they decide to destroy a monster? I suspect that you can't...

EDIT: So I see that dimension can even kill a stardust: http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?p=11423782 that is pretty nifty.

EDIT2: Hold on, so does that imply that other "special summon negating" cards work on starlight road too? something like...say, vanquishing light?

[pheano]

ya stardust misses timing on cards like that
also if you tag into multiple GB monsters with gyzarious stardust misses timing on the first one summoned i believe
it might be the second one
i havent played in a while so i cant remember