Recuitment!

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Now that Get Salty is done, I would like to again try to make a master matchup thread. Here's the low down on how it would be set up in the most optimal circumstances. For each character, we have a 'pro' who would be a spokesperson for that character, with several other forum members behind that pro to help make decisions, divvy up the work, account for different styles, etc. Whenever possible, two groups of players from each side will meet, talk theory, then battle to establish said theories. Then, with the given results, each team will post a summary of the match in an appropriate and official matchup thread. In the meantime, a new thread will be created that would be a directory of sorts: A large table with the character names intersecting that would look something like this
------C O W
------O K O
------ D ---- L
CoD ~ ~ ~
OK ~ ~ ~
WoL ~ ~ ~


Where the '~' are would be the numerical ratio of wins losses and in whose favor the are. Each of these would be a hot link that would take you the matchup summaries in the forums for more details.


That's what I have down so far. More details to be added later(I'm intentionally leaving stuff out for now, like format of choice, until we have a solid group of people), but feel free to join now. If you are willing to help, please sign up by replying to this thread, saying which characters you will represent, and if possible, a vid of you playing said character(You can try out for multiple characters).

Current character roster
WoL(Me,RDF)
Garland(Me,Robo, Schemeckie)
Firion(Certified, Rei)
Emperor(Kraid)
OK(RDF)
CoD(Hella-Bright, Kraid, Funky)
Cecil(Slayer, Rei-N)
Golbez(Me, Robo, Slayer)
Bartz(Suppi)
Exdeath(Kraid, Schmeckie)
Terra(Armoxus, Kraid)
Kefka(Me, funky)
Cloud(Advent-Eva)
Sephiroth (Me, Robo, Weiss)
Squall(Spyder, K'Gen)
Ultimecia(K'Gen if needed, Kraid, Certified!)
Zidane(Slayer)
Kuja(Nexus)
Tidus(Robo)
Jecht(Certified!)
Shantotto(judah, Suppi, KM Riku)
Gabranth(Me, Rei)

We will start actual testing once we have at least one player for each character

[Suppi]

I think I use Butz best out of all 22 characters but I can pretty much use almost anyone to a degree *though for the sake of it since I can't beat the cream of the crop on adhoc yet*
Butz
Shantotto

[Armoxus]

Right now, I'll just try out for Terra I suppose.

[Nemo]

I can try out for Cecil.

[RoboDestroyer]

I'll represent Golbez ;)

[funkyman02]

Is there any reason why you get about 50 characters Colonel-Gilgamesh? >_>

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

I'm not going to speak for all those character. Most are popular and have people to speak for them. Consider me a Jack of all Trades, Master of None, as while I do run quite a few characters, I don't plan on being the 'pro' for any of them (Except maybe Garland since he's somewhat unused). Just consider me as 'backup'

[Speedy07]

Aww I wanted to test Terra, AND Cecil o.o...hmm I'll play as Kuja

[Slayer0]

I can competently (lol okay maybe) play Garland, Cecil, Golbez and Zidane. Because Gilgy won't leave me alone in IRC.

[Katsu]

Tidus for me :)

[judah01]

Go ahead and confirm me for Shantotto.

This is all the proof you need of my ability:

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/9/92/Hnchopsticks3ax.gif

Lawl. In all seriousness, I'll try and stick a recent Shantotto vid up for you to check out. Also, I could help with the Kefka testing if you like. I main both. Just check my YouTube channel or my Get Salty/Shadow Strike fights.

[RDFMASTER]

Can I be the WoL Player please I LOVE THE LIGHT xD

[supermence]

I could try this out but do i have to battle people online if so then no.

[Shadow0x0cloud]

well i could help with cecil and tidus

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Alright, I'm gonna ask from now on, that if anyone wants to apply for a character that already has 2 or more members representing them, provide video footage.

[Shadow0x0cloud]

footage of what exactly, competitive play?

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

You playing as the character. Preferably against another player

[Advent-EVA]

I'd be using Cloud to help you in your research Gilgy.

[K´Genesis]

You can sign me up for Ulty too, if needed.

[Hella-Bright]

I could do CoD unless this is only for AHP people.

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

It's not Hella, but it may become an issue later

[RoboDestroyer]

I'll do Sephy too Colonel. And Garland if you want help

[Shadow0x0cloud]

You playing as the character. Preferably against another player

ok

10chars

[Weiss_Hikari]

Why am I not on this list to play with Sephiroth?

[KM Riku]

I also can play as Shantotto

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Because you never said you would Weiss. I'll add you now

[Weiss_Hikari]

Because you never said you would Weiss. I'll add you now

At what times does said testing occur/when should I be online to participate?

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

We won't actually START testing until we have at least one representative for each character, so until we get OK,Firion, Emperor, Exdeath, and preferably one more for Ultimecia, we're gonna wait to actually start testing. As for the actual testing times, I'm gonna make a separate topic when we have enough members.

[Shadow0x0cloud]

what exactly do you want us to do while testing? just fight and see certain frame rates of moves, lag times, etc. ?

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

No, this is to make a master matchup thread, so we're gonna simply fight one another for data. Theory fighter is great and all, but often, people get into disputes about how viable one move or strategy is against another move or strategy. Not only are we gonna establish a solid win-loss ratio, but hopefully, we'll get some concrete data.

[RDFMASTER]

Ok, colonel when we start this Match Up Chart ;)

My WoL is waiting for you xD

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Good timing RDF, I was just about to bring that up. WE WILL START NEXT SATURDAY THE 27TH! In the meantime, look for ANY Firion, OK, Emperor, Exdeath and Ulty mainers out there, we still need them. As for format, that is up to each individual: KAoS, Naked, Equips, etc. are allowed but must be specified before hand. You must ALSO tell me (If using equips, summons, or anything else) what these factors are, for obvious reasons. Essentially, all formats are allowed and your choice of which is up to you. However, I must stress that these ARE ONLY for people who ONLY play a certain format. If you do not have any qualms about the used format, go with KAoS, since it's new and we can knock out in depth testing there too

[Kraid]

I'll be willing to share all I know about Terra, Emperor, Cloud of Darkness, ExDeath and Ultimecia.

[Wedge]

Good timing RDF, I was just about to bring that up. WE WILL START NEXT SATURDAY THE 27TH! In the meantime, look for ANY Firion, OK, Emperor, Exdeath and Ulty mainers out there, we still need them. As for format, that is up to each individual: KAoS, Naked, Equips, etc. are allowed but must be specified before hand. You must ALSO tell me (If using equips, summons, or anything else) what these factors are, for obvious reasons. Essentially, all formats are allowed and your choice of which is up to you. However, I must stress that these ARE ONLY for people who ONLY play a certain format. If you do not have any qualms about the used format, go with KAoS, since it's new and we can knock out in depth testing there too

Please please please for the sake of gaining legitmate data don't let people decide on different rulesets. If you do that then we have mixed and circumstancial results. Match-ups can be very drastic based on the ruleset.

Pick one ruleset for us to follow: Kaos, Equips, 6999 or whatever. If you want good results then we need constants. Just because people only play by certain rules is not an excuse for it.

My opinion I would pick Kaos or equips but with a heavy restriction list. Thing is, a definitive equip ruleset hasn't really been defined quite yet and there are way too many factors to account for in a match-up listing in equips at the moment.

[TWOxACROSS]

Wouldn't it be pertinent to go off of the 6999 ruleset? Just because it's all the character's own strengths, with no amplifiers whatsoever, wouldn't that give the purest form of data?

Equipment and Accessories have the most impact on pretty much anything you can do in Dissidia, from a Squall with an Ex-Rush build to a Cloud with a Crash build.

Then again, since this game is as heavily customizable itself with different attacks, abilities, and equipment, maybe it would be all but impossible to make a legit Match-Up List. We have to remember that Dissidia is NOT your normal fighting game, so we can't just do things like we could with any other normal fighter.

I'd say there's almost too many parameters and aspects to make a uniform list. If anything, it would have to be split between different rulesets.

[Nexus_Nocturnal]

Nobody asked me to play for Kuja T.T

[RDFMASTER]

Nobody asked me to play for Kuja T.T

Because you did not reply in this thread yet.

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Why Nexus, would you like to be our Kuja?

And in all honesty, I didn't plan on it being labeled as I did. I believe I still have my old, much cleaner, much more established suggestions in some of the old mod's mailboxes, but I couldn't remember what they were, so if someone could hook me up.....

[Nexus_Nocturnal]

Just send me a PM and I'll help out if the PS3 is free xD

[Wedge]

Wouldn't it be pertinent to go off of the 6999 ruleset? Just because it's all the character's own strengths, with no amplifiers whatsoever, wouldn't that give the purest form of data?

Equipment and Accessories have the most impact on pretty much anything you can do in Dissidia, from a Squall with an Ex-Rush build to a Cloud with a Crash build.

Then again, since this game is as heavily customizable itself with different attacks, abilities, and equipment, maybe it would be all but impossible to make a legit Match-Up List. We have to remember that Dissidia is NOT your normal fighting game, so we can't just do things like we could with any other normal fighter.

I'd say there's almost too many parameters and aspects to make a uniform list. If anything, it would have to be split between different rulesets.

Thats the thing Belts, is 6999 the stardized format? If you do it that way then theres pretty much 4-5 (maybe 6 if you include Squall) characters worth using while the rest of the cast are outclassed in terms of damage and options very easily.

If you use equips, a lot of characters are able flourish and be able to bring out some the there best qualities. The only noticeable changes IMO in gear is Kuja and Terra become titans while Cloud, Garland, and several others become great, not top tier but forces to be reckoned with.

Kaos rules are quite untapped and bring a lot a bit of a stable ground to play. "The Big 5" I was referring to in 6999 are still very good and probably still the safest options for tourney play, however Tidus, Squall, Sephiroth, Cloud, Garland, Jecht, Shanttoto, Cecil, Emperor, Gabranth and probably a few others definitely nick at their heels.

What I'm getting at is that the "Big 5" are pretty much always going to be the best no matter what ruleset they're in. However in the Kaos and equips rulesets they aren't staggeringly the best at what they do by a large margin anymore allowing most of the cast to be used competitively.

[Slayer0]

Good timing RDF, I was just about to bring that up. WE WILL START NEXT SATURDAY THE 27TH! In the meantime, look for ANY Firion, OK, Emperor, Exdeath and Ulty mainers out there, we still need them. As for format, that is up to each individual: KAoS, Naked, Equips, etc. are allowed but must be specified before hand. You must ALSO tell me (If using equips, summons, or anything else) what these factors are, for obvious reasons. Essentially, all formats are allowed and your choice of which is up to you. However, I must stress that these ARE ONLY for people who ONLY play a certain format. If you do not have any qualms about the used format, go with KAoS, since it's new and we can knock out in depth testing there too

Damn. I am gonna be drugged out that weekend due to wisdom teeth removal.

[Spyder]

Thats the thing Belts, is 6999 the stardized format? If you do it that way then theres pretty much 4-5 (maybe 6 if you include Squall) characters worth using while the rest of the cast are outclassed in terms of damage and options very easily.

If you use equips, a lot of characters are able flourish and be able to bring out some the there best qualities. The only noticeable changes IMO in gear is Kuja and Terra become titans while Cloud, Garland, and several others become great, not top tier but forces to be reckoned with.

Kaos rules are quite untapped and bring a lot a bit of a stable ground to play. "The Big 5" I was referring to in 6999 are still very good and probably still the safest options for tourney play, however Tidus, Squall, Sephiroth, Cloud, Garland, Jecht, Shanttoto, Cecil, Emperor, Gabranth and probably a few others definitely nick at their heels.

What I'm getting at is that the "Big 5" are pretty much always going to be the best no matter what ruleset they're in. However in the Kaos and equips rulesets they aren't staggeringly the best at what they do by a large margin anymore allowing most of the cast to be used competitively.

Actually despite all of this, I think we should go ahead and first do the 6999 because of the reasons that you have stated above, Wedge. We know that not all characters are as viable to play under 6999 rules as others, but we don't know by how much. By using raw ruleset of 6999, we'll be able to tell how far these characters are truly lagging behind. At least it will give us the numbers we are looking for and finally show the raw power of these characters in comparison to other characters.

I don't think testing these matchups in equips is a good idea, because we haven't come up with a standard ruleset and because the strength of the set plays a huge role in equip battles. It is arguable that whoever has a stronger set that is well suited for a character is most likely the one to win.

As for the KAoS ruleset, I think we ought to first see how the tournament goes. I don't want to make this an official matchup testing ruleset until we see how these rules perform in a tournament setting.

[Wedge]

Actually despite all of this, I think we should go ahead and first do the 6999 because of the reasons that you have stated above, Wedge. We know that not all characters are as viable to play under 6999 rules as others, but we don't know by how much. By using raw ruleset of 6999, we'll be able to tell how far these characters are truly lagging behind. At least it will give us the numbers we are looking for and finally show the raw power of these characters in comparison to other characters.

I don't think testing these matchups in equips is a good idea, because we haven't come up with a standard ruleset and because the strength of the set plays a huge role in equip battles. It is arguable that whoever has a stronger set that is well suited for a character is most likely the one to win.

As for the KAoS ruleset, I think we ought to first see how the tournament goes. I don't want to make this an official matchup testing ruleset until we see how these rules perform in a tournament setting.

Very good points Spyder. I didn't think of it that way. I suppose that 6999 should be the base starting point so that we can see specifically where the imbalances are and determine if anything should be done about it. Of which there are tons of options to correct if necessary.

One thing that might be good to note when we do these match ups are the brave outputs vs the specific character for each of their moves. Thats only if the participants want to take the testing that far of which I myself am willing to do for the match ups I'm involved in.

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Very well then. We'll go with 6999 for now.

[!Certified!]

I would love to put myself out there for Jecht, Ultimecia, and possibly Firion since no one has touched him, but to be honest I'm not all that sure what is going on. I've read the first post several times already and I think I have the general idea, but um... what's going on..?

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Global matchups. A group of people representing character A fight group of people representing character B. They meet, play 10 matches(In some combination of the players present), and gather data

[Scott]

Please please please for the sake of gaining legitmate data don't let people decide on different rulesets. If you do that then we have mixed and circumstancial results. Match-ups can be very drastic based on the ruleset.

Pick one ruleset for us to follow: Kaos, Equips, 6999 or whatever. If you want good results then we need constants. Just because people only play by certain rules is not an excuse for it.

My opinion I would pick Kaos or equips but with a heavy restriction list. Thing is, a definitive equip ruleset hasn't really been defined quite yet and there are way too many factors to account for in a match-up listing in equips at the moment.

The data is going to be different for all the rulesets due to the nature of the game, and they are all current rulesets are something that needs to be looked into in regards to match ups and winning ratios. Although, I do agree, it'd be much more productive to focus on data gathering for one rule set at a time.

I'd also be interested in rulesets that make use of specifics, like a Hero's Spirit, and then forcing everyone to equip, say, Equip Heavy Armor and Equip Hats, even for characters that can equip these things naturally, so everyone can wear a specific piece of gear, and no one has more CP than the others. I'd also like to see KAoS with +11 DEF from 9 Orange Drops (+1 DEF) and an Orange Gem (+2DEF).

[Speedy07]

I'm guessing this has to be done online, right?

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Yeah, pretty much

[Lord Shmeckie]

I suppose I'll help out for Exdeath. Dunno how well I'll do, as I just can't play as well when the matches mean something, as opposed to just being for fun.

[Wedge]

I suppose I'll help out for Exdeath. Dunno how well I'll do, as I just can't play as well when the matches mean something, as opposed to just being for fun.

This isnt a tournament environment Schmeck. This is analysis and studying. We want to get above theorycraft and get hard data in.

So no worries :D

[Lord Shmeckie]

That still puts pressure on me. One fuck up and I make my favorite character look bad.

[Wedge]

That still puts pressure on me. One fuck up and I make my favorite character look bad.

lol Its not like your character is on line here. Plus I'm pretty sure Kraid and Funky might throw their Exdeaths in the mix too. Also its not like those 10 matches won't decide the match up but will play a big factor in the determining of the score.

[Lord Shmeckie]

Oh, also, I'll enter in for Garland, too.

[funkyman02]

I'll throw my Exdeath into the bucnh for the alternative playing Exdeath.

I'd also like to throw in CoD and maybe OK.... Just maybe.

[RDFMASTER]

I'll throw my Exdeath into the bucnh for the alternative playing Exdeath.

I'd also like to throw in CoD and maybe OK.... Just maybe.

Hey Colonel can i try Onion Knight ;)

I know is annoying but i wanna give it try xD

WE WANT TO SEE FUNKY OK! :p

[funkyman02]

But... Mine likes mind games.... OK's aren't supposed to like mind games! They're supposed to be all about links!

[RDFMASTER]

But... Mine likes mind games.... OK's aren't supposed to like mind games! They're supposed to be all about links!

Give it try come man xD He miss you so much xD

[Speedy07]

Yeah, pretty much

Hmm this may be a problem for me then, I have no way to play online (til like...May), BUT I have a few friends I can play with locally, they've also had the game a bit longer than me and are pretty good.

[!Certified!]

Global matchups. A group of people representing character A fight group of people representing character B. They meet, play 10 matches(In some combination of the players present), and gather data

I had a inkling that that was what was going on, but nonetheless thanks a lot for giving me the full description, Gilgy. If you can add my name to Jecht, Ulty and Firion for now because I want to help out with them. As of now I will be joining the online community soon upon getting my PS3 so I'll be able to do my part for this.

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Alright, I'll knock Speedy off the list.

No offense intended to the two of you, but for Funky and RDF, can I see your OK's in a vid first? The way you guys sound, it sounds closer to you guys being OK for the Lulz than for actual testing. Ordinarily, I probably wouldn't ask, but we can't have out only OK players representing for the heck of it.

[RDFMASTER]

Well i have video but is not really good xd

YouTube- Dissidia [AHP] Onion Knight Vs Cloud [Shutendoji] R1

YouTube- Dissidia [AHP] Onion Knight Vs Cloud [Shutendoji] R2

I will upload one i have save (i believe)

[RoboDestroyer]

RDF your OK wasn't even good.... I'm very sure I beat it >_>

I'll probably also do Tidus Colonel, since noone seems to be using him ATM. Nero's obviously not gonna help >_>

[funkyman02]

Well I used to main OK, but I'll see if I could muster up a video the next time I play.

[Nemo]

gah, I was hoping it'd start this week. Cut me off the list, I'll only be available on every other weekend after this week.

[RDFMASTER]

Look you pretty much know that Ok vs Golbez is not good news for OK. OK has many bad match up and S&L can really destroy him due to his laggy attacks. You claim i sux as WoL, i prove it to you x1000 of times that is not the case and even is so hard for you to defeat me as WoL.

You know EVERYTIME I POST VIDEO YOU CLAIM I SUX EVERY SINGLE FREAKY TIME!

You alway tell me I sux as:
WoL
Cloud
Garbrath
Squall
Cecil
Sephiroth
OK
Bartz

All these charatcers had defeat you many times and WoL is your nightmare. Moreover, i don't upload so many matches from you because i feel is not necessary and sometimes they are rapes. I am tire of you claiming something is not true and i just start using OK and trying to get good with him. I am not the best but i least i can give him try.


RDF your OK wasn't even good.... I'm very sure I beat it >_>

I'll probably also do Tidus Colonel, since noone seems to be using him ATM. Nero's obviously not gonna help >_>


I play Dissidia for fun but you always have to ruin it by saying literally " You sux, you the worst, you trash and you too easy to defeat". I am sure many people in the forums play for fun and have good time NOT TO PROVE WHO IS BETTER OR THE BEST.

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

RDF............
#1 take this to the forums if you're gonna argue
#2 Robo, don't reply to this here
#3 I wasn't thoroughly impressed with your OK to be honest. Decent, but unremarkable. You're in for now.

[tw1g007]

I am curious but how does one have an impressive OK? RDF seemed to do everything possible with OK in that video.

Only thing unimpressive was his oppoenent not putting up much of a fight.

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

That's exactly it twig. I can run over CPUs all day, and I'll look good, but that's because my opponent looks bad. I haven't seen this guy before, not heard of him, and I thought he did horrid, so I don't have a good grasp on his OK

[Rei-N]

Hey Colonel, I'll jump in on Cecil too if you want. I think I'm decent enough at him to give it a shot.

[RDFMASTER]

That's exactly it twig. I can run over CPUs all day, and I'll look good, but that's because my opponent looks bad. I haven't seen this guy before, not heard of him, and I thought he did horrid, so I don't have a good grasp on his OK

Dam it i should save my replays with funky even though he destroys onions xD

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Hmmm, we could use another Cecil since Speedy and Cooldude droped. OK, lets see what you got.

[Wedge]

I've decided to drop out of this "experiment."
As much as I love the idea of having some defined master match ups I think this project is doomed for failure.

I'm not going to elaborate on why unless I'm asked to because despite my opinions on this, I don't want it to hinder this project.

Instead I'm going to work on the Jecht match up thread.
Sorry kids. And best of luck with the project. I hope you can all can prove me wrong.

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

.........Thanks Wedge, you're real supportive.

Seeing as how we will be starting this weekend, I encourage everyone to go to the IRC when they get a chance. Now, because we will have multiple people for the testing, it is HIGHLY encouraged that there be at least 2 people representing the character present. It is not MANDATORY that there be multiple people there, but doing the match alone may make other people mad, and it will deprive you of valuable experience.

Lastly, this is a reminder that this weekend we will start testing. I won't be here for MUCH of Saturday, but I will be here all of Sunday

[Katsu]

.........Thanks Wedge, you're real supportive.

Seeing as how we will be starting this weekend, I encourage everyone to go to the IRC when they get a chance. Now, because we will have multiple people for the testing, it is HIGHLY encouraged that there be at least 2 people representing the character present. It is not MANDATORY that there be multiple people there, but doing the match alone may make other people mad, and it will deprive you of valuable experience.

Lastly, this is a reminder that this weekend we will start testing. I won't be here for MUCH of Saturday, but I will be here all of Sunday

Yeah I'll have to drop out as well, sorry man :(

[RoboDestroyer]

Guess I'll be doing Tidus then

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-vFak4IQKQ

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Based on that performance, I would say yes, you will.

[Spyder]

.........Thanks Wedge, you're real supportive.

Seeing as how we will be starting this weekend, I encourage everyone to go to the IRC when they get a chance. Now, because we will have multiple people for the testing, it is HIGHLY encouraged that there be at least 2 people representing the character present. It is not MANDATORY that there be multiple people there, but doing the match alone may make other people mad, and it will deprive you of valuable experience.

Lastly, this is a reminder that this weekend we will start testing. I won't be here for MUCH of Saturday, but I will be here all of Sunday

I can't see why we can't just contact all the players one by one and do these tests on our free time. We know all the players who are participating, so we can simply contact them at any time and set a time suitable for both players. Then we can have both players report their findings on their match up in separate threads found in the character forums using a format that is similar to this:


Character A versus Character B
Players involved: Player A and Player B
Testing Conditions: Ruleset/Map/etc that is chosen

Character A Moveset

Character B Moveset

Conclusion/Summary:

Match up result: _:_

This way we'll be able to thoroughly investigate and see each player's take on the given match up. This will also allow everyone to pace themselves and keep the information organized in separate threads. Posting a video or two will also be beneficial.

Otherwise, having everyone come together over the weekend just sounds like a lot of the testers will be waiting for the others to finish their matches. And 10 matches is a long time to wait.

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

What you suggested is equally valid, but I believe that individually, it feels stressful doing a match with the same guy 10 times in a row with the same characters. I'd like the thought of going into a matchup with at least 2 people, to help split the matches, as well as help take out some of the human factor. It's not mandatory that people go together, nor is it mandatory that you do all 10 matches in 1 burst. You can feel free to do it Spyder's way, so long as you get hard data.

For contacting people, please send visitor messages(So not to fill up PM boxes) on what you want them to do.

[Lord Shmeckie]

What you suggested is equally valid, but I believe that individually, it feels stressful doing a match with the same guy 10 times in a row with the same characters.

This is actually pretty common. Especially if you use Sephiroth, werein every other person you fight picks Cloud when you use him.

Anyway, I'm with Spyder on this.

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Common it maybe, but remember, we have to do matches 10 time over against super turtles as well. Anyone care to do 10 Garland vs Ulty matches? Particularly against a GOOD Ulty? It could take hours on end!

[RDFMASTER]

This is actually pretty common. Especially if you use Sephiroth, werein every other person you fight picks Cloud when you use him.

Anyway, I'm with Spyder on this.

So mr. ExDeath we have 10 Matches in row? :D

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Look, however you really want to do this is fine to me. It doesn't matter as long as

a) You receive hard data on your matches

b) You report it to me so other testers who may not have been present don't do the matchups again

c)You tell me who fought who, where, in what format

I would prefer, but will not demand nor require

a) You did 6999

b) Multiple testers fought each other at one time to help reduce human factor

c) You made replays of each match



Also, my weekend freed up