Info on Cloud's moves

[ujhbn]

Please refer to this thread (http://dissidiaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3923) for details about priority and damage multiplier.

Skill name
damage type, Priority
damage multiplier (Total)
startup frame (1 sec = 60 Frame), EX force produced

Brave Attacks

Double Cut
Physical, Melee Low*
7,13 (20)
13F, ~110

Sonic Break
Physical, Melee Low*
8,12,30 (50)
25F, ~120

Climhazzard
Physical, Melee Low*
3*4,8,15 (35)
27F, ~140

Blade Beam
Magical, Melee Low(blade)* ~ Ranged Low (beam)
15,5,10
37F, ~120

Fire
Magical, Ranged Low
10
25F, 2

Fira
Magical, Ranged Low
5*3 (15)
25F, 6

Firaga
Magical, Ranged Low
(7,10)each
25F, ~14 each

Slashing Blow
Physical, Melee Low*
10,10,20 (40)
25F, ~123

Aerial Fang
Physical, Melee Low*
25
39F, ~100

Rising Fang
Physical, Melee Low*
3,1*10,17 (30)
23, ~165

HP Attacks

Finishing Touch
Physical, Melee Mid*
1*4,2*5 (14)
--, ~165

Omni v5
Physical, Melee Mid*
2*4,5,8 (21)
--, ~160

Cross Slash
Physical, Melee High
5*2 (10)
41F, ~135

Braver
Physical, Melee High
5,1 (6)
47F, ~125

Meteorain
Magical, Ranged High
10 (upward hit)
21F (upward hit) 81F (meteor appears), ~200


EX Mode
*Ultima Weapon effect = all Melee attacks become Melee High priority

EX Burst damage
type: Physical
Initial: 14,14
Limit Break: 2*20 / (Fail: 0 or 8 or 8*2 or 8*3)
Total Damage: 68

Note, this is the base damage of the EX burst (i.e when HP=1) and will be
further increased by the EX mode damage bonus (max = x2).

[Providence]

Whoa that's some nice info! Thanks dude!

Sonic Break and Slashing Blow are the same speed? o.o
Climhazzard comes out slower than sonic break and slashing blow? O.O

Wow... sure doesn't feel like that in game haha. Nice infor nonetheless! =-)

[Shutendoji]

They really didn't give Cloud any help in the speed department outside of Double Cut. Rising Fang and Ariel Fang could have both afforded to be much faster, but everything else seems really good..

[Scott]

They're actually pretty fast on the whole. Half a second isn't that slow.

[ujhbn]

The number I put up there is the frame at which the hit box appear. Therefore unless the skill is used from point blank range, it will take some time before reaching your opponent (like adding another 10~20F).

[Hollowed]

EX Mode
*Ultima Weapon effect = all Melee attacks become Melee High priority
In general, higher priority beats lower, Melee beats Ranged if same priority.
In EX Mode Cloud's physical Bravery attacks can go through Ranged HP attacks. Examples include Warrior of Light's Shining Wave, Cecil's Dark Flame, and Terra's Meltdown. Cloud's Slidehazzard has enough range to go through them and combos into Omnislash. 8D

[Scott]

So you're not going to include the maximum frames the move will have?

[Kite]

Arent you supposed to use those moves at point blank?

[ujhbn]

So you're not going to include the maximum frames the move will have?

Sorry, that would be too much work, being lazy here :p

[Advent-EVA]

Talk about some very nice information here, thank you very much for your hard work mate, you have my sincerest apologies for not stickying it myself, I'll make sure to be around more often starting the next weekend, if you need my help to further your research, just pm me and I'll contact you as fast as I can.

[Hollowed]

Damage of Combos
Normal/Wall Rush

100/108.5 Climhazzard>Slashing Blow>Rising Fang
60/70 Climhazzard>Slashing Blow
61 Climhazzard>Slashing Blow>Omnislash Version 5
120/128.5 Slashing Blow>Rising Fang>Rising Fang
80/88.5 Slashing Blow>Rising Fang
50/65 Sonic Break
34 Sonic Break->Finishing Touch
87/95.5 Double Cut>Slashing Blow>Rising Fang
48 Double Cut>Slashing Blow>Omnislash Version 5
17 Double Cut>Cross Slash
16 Fire>Braver

EX Combos
102 Climhazzard>Slashing Blow>Omnislash Version 5>Slashing Blow>Omnislash Version 5
89 Double Cut>Slashing Blow>Omnislash Version 5>Slashing Blow>Omnislash Version 5
82 Slashing Blow>Omnislash Version 5>Slashing Blow>Omnislash Version 5

Fire does 10 damage and combos into all attacks depending on distance.

[Scott]

Double Cut -> Slashing Blow -> Omnislash Version 5 -> Climhazzard -> Slashing Blow -> Omnislash Version 5 is more likely to miss than even connect, even in Ex-Mode, and it will only connect if the opponent screws up the small window of opportunity they have to escape it. It does add some pressure after the first Omnislash Version 5 though.

[Hollowed]

Yeah, unfortunately it doesn't even work 100% on AIs. I included it for completion's sake. I couldn't get a Wall Rushed Aerial Fang/Slashing Blow (ceiling or wall) to combo anywhere close to reliably.

It's cool to see Cloud's damage nearly doubles (with 2 HPs) in EX. I'm interested in seeing how he stacks up to other chars.