Tentacle Cancel

[Hollowed]

YouTube- AI CoD cancelling tentacle attacks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHgQsg7MQ3k)
"Some facts:
- it cancelled the attacks only on ground/near ground
- it can cancel it by dashing, attacking and map actions"
Tentacle of Pain 3 cancel, throughout the video

YouTube- DFF: Funky (Cloud of Darkness) v. Dave880 (Sephiroth) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeB66nwBZXk)
"At 0:33 to 0:35, CoD does her Tentacles of Pain lvl 2 but it doesn't come out allowing be to do another Tentacles of Pain. It was very bizarre and almost looks like an M-Cancel however I was nowhere near any quick move map locations and I was never able to do M-Cancel back in JPN."

YouTube- DFF: Cloud of Darkness Tentacle Cancel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtMCdO5T7BY)
Tentacle of Pain first swing cancel into Feint, at 1:12
I messed around with spamming O and [] during the Tentacle attack and got it to work. The timing seems to be just as a swing ends. I should have another replay where I land on the ground in the middle of Tentacle of Suffering, canceling it.

Let's figure this out. Go go go go!

[533787655464]

I think I might know what happened, (this is just an educated guess)
As you can see, you used Air tentacles just as you were about to land, and I'm guessing you touched the ground, cancelled because you were on opposite territory that the move was made for.

[ShineThatLight]

What happened to all the posts in this thread? I think this is a well deserved BUMP because seriously I think this would improve CoD's game a lot if we figure it out fully.

[Cloud of Darkness]

I agree with Shinethatlight, this could be beneficial for CoD's mindgames, that Tentacle cancel to Feint for instance, maybe you could get your enemy to attempt to guard the tentacle attack and follow up with feint for a guard crush.

[CosmicJR13]

I agree with both of u but if it's what stezil said than tentacle cancel will happen by chance, I don't think it's something that u can plan happening but it's so worth testing

[Major Tom]

Is this what they mean with CoD's mysterious Ex mode bonus?
(I know the AI was never in EX for the first vid and still pulled off the moves, but that may be an explanation...)
This does deserve a bump or sticky or at least a something.

[Kraid]

What has happened with this thread? Apparently nothing. But the mystery is that no one still knows how to do it properly.

Once the Cloud of Darkness players have studied all this we can figure it out. However so far it seems to be a glitch.

It's all good that you all agree with Shine and that it would be good for 'mindgames' as you all throw in, but until we can actually figure out HOW THIS IS DONE, it does not deserved to be stickied.

[ShineThatLight]

See I remember this thread having a couple pages? So I am really curious what happened to it... this is odd. I even remember posting in it before it had the vid of it happening to Funky.

Anyways, I noticed a lot of dashing was going on, and dashing then starting the tentacles and then landing. I can't replicate this no matter how hard I try (Tried dashing, locking off, and spamming HP attack, and any combination of the three) so I don't know, but if we could find some way to replicate this it would rock. If it is a glitch, we should be able to find some pattern to replicate it (like the midair Jechtshot appearing for Jecht ect.) and put it to good use.

[Kraid]

There have been times I've done this without dashing. I've done it on several occasions myself.

One such occasion against Dave I HIT Dave with Tentacles and Cancelled it into Tentacles.

So Somehow I did Ground Tentacles -> Ground Tentacles. Literally RESET my tentacles. From what I understand thus far (and the theory is) is that at a certain frame the tentacles can be cancelled. There may be a 1 frame delay between Ground 2 and Ground 3 which would reset the tentacles.

This is all theory though at the moment.

[CosmicJR13]

Well I was playing with her right now and I tried to pull it of by using tentacles, then dashing and vice versatile then I found myself using tentacles while I was trying to dodge an it got canceled so I true to do that again but it didn't work

[TKG09]

There have been times I've done this without dashing. I've done it on several occasions myself.

One such occasion against Dave I HIT Dave with Tentacles and Cancelled it into Tentacles.

So Somehow I did Ground Tentacles -> Ground Tentacles. Literally RESET my tentacles. From what I understand thus far (and the theory is) is that at a certain frame the tentacles can be cancelled. There may be a 1 frame delay between Ground 2 and Ground 3 which would reset the tentacles.
This is all theory though at the moment.

What do you mean by that? Do you mean the one frame between the time where if u had pressed O u would have gotten ground 2 and the time where if u press O u get ground 3?

[Kraid]

I have cracked the code. It took me a few watches of my own personal replays aswell as these ones to figure out the mystery.

I will be posting a video explaining soon. I will not divulge just yet how to do it but every CoD player WILL be disappointed on how to do this. It's quite tricky and doesn't offer the aggression I thought it would offer us.

[CosmicJR13]

well that was surprisingly fast i cant wait to see how its done pleease tell us how to do it and how dyou found out

[Kraid]

YouTube- How to Cancel Cloud of Darknesses Tentacles

Explanation:

It all has to do with the 'non existence' landing lag that CoD has. Because of that if you were to ground run with CoD, do an aerial attack and follow up with Tentacles, the Tentacles will cancel. Note that Wrath brings CoD into the air and so theortically should work with this.

This can ONLY cancel Grounded Tentacles. Air 2 is the hardest version to do this with as she will follow the opponent vertically. Air 3 surprisingly makes it's use as a combo starter meaning you can do Air 3 -> Ground -> Followup (which could be another Tentacles OR ANTI-AIR.)

[Wedge]

Great find Kraid. I hope this technique can be expanded upon to increase CoD's game.

[Veysey]

This... will this work with any floating character? *stares at Kuja*

Anyways, great find! More things to watch out for when fighting CoD XD

[CosmicJR13]

This is great I can't wait to try it!!!

Although it seems sort of hard to pull of, it seems to work better when u use oform after the dash

[Kraid]

I should note that when I did this, my hands were already in pain trying to do OTHER techniques including mashing the circle button very hard (without the dashing), mashing the Circle + Square buttons very hard and etc.

By the time I got the technique down, my hands literally were dead. 0-Form is quite easy to do it with, but impractical unless in Ex-Mode.

[TKG09]

I... am amazed.

[Hollowed]

I wonder if it's doable by just dashing with proper timing, without setting up 0-Form or Air Tentacles before the cancel itself. Also if ground tentacles can be canceled into air tentacles on disappearing ledges (Crystal World, The Rift Omega). Can it only be canceled on the first swing, or up to the second or third?

Because as we know how to do it now, it is rather inconvenient to have to attack before the actual cancel. We don't know everything about it yet, such as advanced forms and practical uses, so keep testing!

[Kraid]

Yes, it is doable with just the Omni Airdash: However it must be done just near the end of it. So basically when the Airdash is dying.

Second: You can cancel the second and third swing of the attack. However the first swing is by far the easiest.

[Wedge]

Kara Tentacles?

[Haruhiist]

YouTube- ‪??????FF UT ???Nora?? No.20‬‎ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9SnhGHAnw0)

2:09 to 2:14 (Exact time of cancel is 2:12)

I can't really understand what you guys are saying, but since one of my friends showed me this video (also because of the tentacle cancel) I just thought I'd put it here. Hope it helps in some way.

[CosmicJR13]

L we were trying to figure out how to do it but now one of us found out and showed us in the previous video but it's still sort of hard to pull it off, it Dorset guarantee that you'll be able to do it everytime u dash and make an hp air atack near the ground. So once we master this move, we will try and find teqniques for this, for example that tentacle cancel to anti air that u showed us in your video.

[Cloud of Darkness]

Your example in the video was great, you made the Cloud player think you were going to use a tentacle attack and followed up with an Anti-Air, I like the idea of using it that way more than in a combo, but that's just because I can't seem to form a combo out of the tentacle cancel itself =/

[CosmicJR13]

I'm still trying to get the hang of it but it's still just a matter of luck for me

[Hella-Bright]

Well I was totally wrong about this technique lol!
I tried it and I think it CAN be useful OUTSIDE of Ex mode but I do think It would be LOT more effective in EX mode, as you can see from the video Haru Posted. I'm Gunna need to practice this more, definatly (I only did it once >_>)

[Cloud of Darkness]

I can get the cancel to work on a regular basis now, but I still mess up occasionally, now I just need to figure out how to use it like in the vid.

[CosmicJR13]

I can get the cancel to work on a regular basis now, but I still mess up occasionally, now I just need to figure out how to use it like in the vid.

How do u do it???, can u gove me some advice???

[Cloud of Darkness]

Well do just as Kraid did, it takes practice, I can get it much more often then I used to. (Before it was once a match, now it is about three or four)

Make sure you dash and use an aerial attack, then followup with the tentacles. (I really am not too sure how to give pointers here)

[Major Tom]

So you have to use a HP attack first? The AI sure didn't seem to be doing it.
Or maybe SE just enjoys making broken bots.

[Hella-Bright]

No. Its an arial attack, not a HP attack

[Kraid]

Essentially it can be done via ANYTIME Landing Lag WOULD occur. 0-Form was the easiest way of doing it since it allows for little room to error. I wanted to show how doable it was and to prove how it was done.

[Hella-Bright]

Yeah. I was practiceing it like all night last night and I think O-form would be the safest in Battle atleast, but I'm not too sure. I still have yet to do this in an online match.

[Cloud of Darkness]

I can never get it to work with O-form, but I have gotten it to work with every other attack.

[Hella-Bright]

I got it to work with all exept with Aura ball and Fusillade.

Air 2 can be hard becasue if the enemy jumps your screwed with trying it so Air 3 would be better, though its not very safe since it can be fired right back at you...

[Cloud of Darkness]

I'm having the same problem(With Air 2 & 3), could you just use Air 1 then cancel, or use aerial tentacles in general? (Use no tentacle attacks, which might not be useful...)

[CosmicJR13]

I can only get it done whit oform it seems to be the easyest to pull of but I still need to practice more

[funkyman02]

I'm still having problems with it (because I am so lame) but seeing the attacks that allow this possible: Air 2, Air 3, and 0-form, it seems really risky to do it if the opponent is right on your ass because all of those moves are risky to use outright. Nevertheless Kraid I have already congratulated you on your find. :D

[Kraid]

Funky: It can be done straight after an Omni Air Dash also allowing for more options for CoD.

CoD used to dominate quite well on the ground. This just boosts it up more now.

[Hella-Bright]

CoD kinda still does dominate on the ground, TBH. But thats just me, its fun to change from air fights to ground fights with her.

Anyway, I've been useing this some in online battles that I've had, I still have yet to find a use and I've been trying to use it effectivly. I have yet to use it effectivly...

[TKG09]

i highly doubt this is doable with lag

[Hella-Bright]

Yeah, I have not tried it with lag.