Dragon's Neck Coliseum Results Discussion Thread

[funkyman02]

It seems as though we do not really have a discussion thread for the results. I noticed that in the results thread, Wedge said that anything but the results would be deleted so this thread will be used to discuss how the matches went or just overall comments on how your opponent was in said matches. Do try to keep the useless banter down to a minimum. Thanks!

[Slayer0]

And funky in with the thread. Heh.

Prox's OK was really good once I hit EX, he adapted pretty quickly. All he needs is more experience.

[Proximately]

God damn it! How am I supposed to counter an EX Garland without running away. I was considering adding Shock Despair to my setup before and now I know... I really do need it.

[Wedge]

It seems as though we do not really have a discussion thread for the results. I noticed that in the results thread, Wedge said that anything but the results would be deleted so this thread will be used to discuss how the matches went or just overall comments on how your opponent was in said matches. Do try to keep the useless banter down to a minimum. Thanks!

I thought the finalize bracket thread was going to be the suitable place to discuss it, but ah well. :P

By they way I would really appreciate it if players didn't mind (after their fights) if they would like to submit the builds and such they used against their opponents only if they wish it to be dissected and discussed as to why it was successful/failure/innovative ect... Finding out what is effective or not or even overpowered is vital to the continuance of gear rulesets.
If you feel uncomfortable of posting it as public knowledge (for fear to have it used against you or countered ect...) it is no problem at all. I simply want to get public discussion on build choices in order to tweak the ruleset for future tournaments in terms of competitiveness, fun, and whatever else that sounds important.

I for one will be posting some of mine to get discussion going. When the time comes. (Like after my fight with Slayer.)

[Demitel]

FINALIZED. Finalized brackets. Christ, you people! Just because Dave can't use participles doesn't mean everyone has to stop. Dave only has enough Ds for the first letter in his name. He has to use them sparingly. The rest of you guys, though? Not acceptable. They're finalized brackets, ffs. ; ;

This message brought to you by the letter "D."
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"Stop neglecting me, you lazy fuckpirates! ; ;" -The Letter D


UPDATE: Thank you Wedge. I <3 you.

[Wedge]

This message brought to you by the letter "http://shrines.rpgclassics.com/snes/top/images/monst/demi.jpg."

[Veysey]

Well that's too bad Prox... hopefully you tear up the LB. I'm still expecting to see your OK get somewhere!

Congrats Slayer!

[Proximately]

I truly hope so. My goal is to make him go somewhere. <.< But there are always other tournaments coming up. I'll give it my all in all of them!

[Demitel]

Two notes: Replay thread?

And (related): that first video needs a little editing in the video description. Look it over and tell me what you see. XD

[RDFMASTER]

Two notes: Replay thread?

And (related): that first video needs a little editing in the video description. Look it over and tell me what you see. XD


Ok, Demitel you catch me :(
Good observation :P

The problem have been fix. Hope you are happy now. I am going to make the Replay thread :P

[Wedge]

Two notes: Replay thread?

And (related): that first video needs a little editing in the video description. Look it over and tell me what you see. XD

I will fix both of those things lol. Thanks for the heads up.

EDIT:

"Dragon's Neck Coliseum" Round 1

Match #1: xffixbmlx (Terra) vs. Bye (Golbez) = xffixbmlx (Terra) 1-0
Match #2: xffixbmlx (Terra) vs. Bye (Emperor) = Bye (Emperor) 1-1
Match #3: xffixbmlx (Terra) vs. Bye (Terra) = xffixbmlx (Terra) 2-1

Winner ~ xffixbmlx (2-1) against Bye.

O.O...

Ouch, sorry Ehx, but you're not allowed to use Terra (You registered Zid Gab and ExD.) I'm afraid you're going to have to move to LB for that illegal move. Sorry Bro.

I really hope people can see the sarcasm in this. >.>

[Haruhiist]

GGs Moomba, and sorry about the time out in our first re-do match if it pissed you off or anything. Hope you do well in the rest of the tournament ^^;

[Veysey]

Congrats on the win Wedge, keep playing well and maybe you'll get a shiny new trophy under your name! (Go for gold this time, Jecht is bound to hit the top eventually ;))

[Hella-Bright]

Poor tabby D:

But I will admit, it is hard to fight a Terra unless you have really REALLY good Wrath reflexes. And hope they don't meltdown the shit out of you... That happened to me once... it was HORRIBLE...

[Demitel]

I Meltdown'd the shit out of her. :( Ok, well, not too badly/not as badly as I could've, but still.

She actually got me several times with Wrath, though, since I wasn't used to Kai's lag, and my dodge reaction for Wrath was a lot quicker than what I should have registered for the lag.

[SilvaKairi]

Tabby still sad about the lost, and is goingto be very sad beating hella in loser bracket o.o

[Shuruka]

Tabby still sad about the lost, and is goingto be very sad beating hella in loser bracket o.o

i reveiwed that fight actually, it looked pretty good at first, wrathed everything they sent you for a while, i didn't get far though, so I cant say to much except you are improving. good fight tabs.

and good fight to you as well demitel.

[Hella-Bright]

Oh, thats what you think Tabby ;D

[Veysey]

Wow, RDF, I can't believe you got knocked into the losers bracket so early. Yunoa must be one heck of a competitor!

Congrats on the win, Yunoa and don't worry RDF, I'm sure you'll tear your way up the losers bracket - I'll be watching to see just how bright your light can shine ;)

[Shuruka]

Wow, RDF, I can't believe you got knocked into the losers bracket so early. Yunoa must be one heck of a competitor!

Congrats on the win, Yunoa and don't worry RDF, I'm sure you'll tear your way up the losers bracket - I'll be watching to see just how bright your light can shine ;)

i can never beat either of them so i wouldn't really know :3 but yes, congrats on the win guys, hope you go far.

[RDFMASTER]

Wow, RDF, I can't believe you got knocked into the losers bracket so early. Yunoa must be one heck of a competitor!

Congrats on the win, Yunoa and don't worry RDF, I'm sure you'll tear your way up the losers bracket - I'll be watching to see just how bright your light can shine ;)

I was not playing well. At least the student defeat me xD. I am surprise of his progress with equipments. He use to only play KAoS ruleset and look what happen now. He made a excellent built for Tidus.

[tw1g007]

I did something horrendously stupid and I was lucky.

Yes. I was terrified. My first tourney match ever against an experienced opponent. I felt the right thing to calm my nerves was to avoid practicing with my team members so I don't lose and feel even worse about my performance.

Eh... I don't know if it worked for me or against me. But whatever... its over and I can take a huge breather. Me and Lyco played the dream match up I wanted after it was over!!! I was happy with that.

[Shuruka]

I did something horrendously stupid and I was lucky.

Yes. I was terrified. My first tourney match ever against an experienced opponent. I felt the right thing to calm my nerves was to avoid practicing with my team members so I don't lose and feel even worse about my performance.

Eh... I don't know if it worked for me or against me. But whatever... its over and I can take a huge breather. Me and Lyco played the dream match up I wanted after it was over!!! I was happy with that.

Good job, but never stop practicing, just take a breather inbetween practice :) i suggest some rigorous sport or activity, it calms to mind and energizes you after a good protien meal, and it really lets you get a better run when practicing, i understand the feeling of being terrified however, i kinda am too. i have to go up against promised, and if i win that its pros :(, but hey, try your best and i think you can make it far. I would enjoy to watch the replays of your matches when they come around.

[tw1g007]

Good job, but never stop practicing, just take a breather inbetween practice :) i suggest some rigorous sport or activity, it calms to mind and energizes you after a good protien meal, and it really lets you get a better run when practicing, i understand the feeling of being terrified however, i kinda am too. i have to go up against promised, and if i win that its pros :(, but hey, try your best and i think you can make it far. I would enjoy to watch the replays of your matches when they come around.

Thanks for the thoughtful response. Best of luck to you and promise. Ugh... you guys might finally get me to buy an adaptor now. *sigh*

[Shuruka]

Thanks for the thoughtful response. Best of luck to you and promise. Ugh... you guys might finally get me to buy an adaptor now. *sigh*

hah, i dont deserve your luck, but thanks anyways, i dont think i can take wedge even if i DO beat promise tomorrow (he told me he would be on tomorrow, and if he wasn't that he forfited his place and went to losers. i dont want that to happen, i dont want any unfair wins) but, i figure though, if we all try our best, we'll learn something from the experiment and make ourselves known. if you lose your first or second round, you have a second chance to be someone in the losers bracket right? whatever happens, happens.

anyways, it'll be an interesting experiment for all of us. and please do buy an adapter, we need more kai players, its not as bad as it seems after getting it set up, and i would love to play you.

[Haruhiist]

Ahh, just played Spyder today..

Although it was laggy, a total slaughter and the fact that I messed up the first match, I hope you still had fun :P

Was too frightened to block after 2 failures, argh! You're really scary.

Wish you good luck in the tournament matches to come. : )

[funkyman02]

Ok what the hell is happening with the Miller x Shinso matches? Seriously...

[Demitel]

I'm wondering about the Hella-Bright vs. Judah match myself. What's going on there?

[Hella-Bright]

Well Judah wanted to have the match this last saturday but I had to get my wisdome teeth out so I didn't want to fight while HIGH ON PAIN PILLZ! So were just gunna have to fight today I suppose....if he ever messages me back >_>

[Demitel]

Well, if he doesn't, then what's a good time for you and me to have a match? :X

[Hella-Bright]

Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thrusday are the best days.

[Demitel]

Ok. I work 3:00 - 9:00 p.m. (your time) on Thursday and 10:00 a.m. - 6 p.m. on Wednesday, but I'm off Thursday.

So, most likely Thursday, if Judah doesn't show up today?

[Hella-Bright]

Sure thing Demi.

[R3dw4t3r]

Weeeellllll, Im out. at least i went out with a fight lol. I didn't win any of my fights in the matches but i'd like to think I at least made my competitors crap themselves just a little. It was fun while it lasted but i'm saying goodbye DNC tourney! What we had was special even if it was rough if the beginning, and bumpy at the end I had fun none-the-less along the way!

[SilvaKairi]

but i want to fight you in the tourny next hella o.o

[Spyder]

Ahh, just played Spyder today..

Although it was laggy, a total slaughter and the fact that I messed up the first match, I hope you still had fun :P

Was too frightened to block after 2 failures, argh! You're really scary.

Wish you good luck in the tournament matches to come. : )

I actually enjoy the type of lag that we had in our matches. It was smooth, constant and most importantly there were no lagspikes. I enjoyed our matches even if they were at 4 am in the morning. x3 Good luck on your next match.


Funkeh! I'm waiting for ya!

[funkyman02]

I'm waiting on Miller, Spyder! Dx

[Wedge]

Weeeellllll, Im out. at least i went out with a fight lol. I didn't win any of my fights in the matches but i'd like to think I at least made my competitors crap themselves just a little. It was fun while it lasted but i'm saying goodbye DNC tourney! What we had was special even if it was rough if the beginning, and bumpy at the end I had fun none-the-less along the way!

You are aware this is double elimination right? Are you dropping out then?

[Hella-Bright]

He lost to spyder then moomba Wedge, Hes out of the tourney.

[Wedge]

He lost to spyder then moomba Wedge, Hes out of the tourney.

Oh hahhahahah just noticed the replays in the e-mail.

Anyways, Round 1 Ends tonight at 11:59 pm PST the matches that have not been done are:

Judah vs Hella-Bright To be done tonight.
Shinso vs Miller In favor of Shinso.
Shuruka vs Promiseland I haven't heard a word of whats going on with that match but if there is nothing by tonight I will decide via coin flip unless I'm told otherwise.

[Shuruka]

Oh hahhahahah just noticed the replays in the e-mail.

Anyways, Round 1 Ends tonight at 11:59 pm PST the matches that have not been done are:

Judah vs Hella-Bright To be done tonight.
Shinso vs Miller In favor of Shinso.
Shuruka vs Promiseland I haven't heard a word of whats going on with that match but if there is nothing by tonight I will decide via coin flip unless I'm told otherwise.

Actually, i know this isnt your job to check, i should have asked you earlier to look, but promised messaged me on my visitors message, saying yesterday he'd be on, and if he wasnt, to tell you he forfitted. i didnt want to have him forf unless it was too late, so i held off a bit

[Wedge]

Actually, i know this isnt your job to check, i should have asked you earlier to look, but promised messaged me on my visitors message, saying yesterday he'd be on, and if he wasnt, to tell you he forfitted. i didnt want to have him forf unless it was too late, so i held off a bit

Ok I just read the visitors message. You will be in favor when the deadline is over then.

[RoboDestroyer]

Sucks that Promised has such a busy schedule now. Don't like seeing people drop out =\ Especially out of a small tourny like this

[Shuruka]

Sucks that Promised has such a busy schedule now. Don't like seeing people drop out =\ Especially out of a small tourny like this

truthfully, i wanted to fight him. i didnt want a Bye but eh...

[Veysey]

Sucks that Promised has such a busy schedule now. Don't like seeing people drop out =\ Especially out of a small tourny like this

I completely agree but it's also the participants responsibility to make time for the tournament or at least realize beforehand what restraints they will have. Then decide whether they can feasibly participate or not. Obviously there are extenuating circumstances and such but there are also a lot of things that are within the control of the participant.

[tw1g007]

I completely agree but it's also the participants responsibility to make time for the tournament or at least realize beforehand what restraints they will have. Then decide whether they can feasibly participate or not. Obviously there are extenuating circumstances and such but there are also a lot of things that are within the control of the participant.

Seconded. I have finals till Thursday and risked playing Lyco anyway. Might as well play and lose than not play at all.

[Shuruka]

Seconded. I have finals till Thursday and risked playing Lyco anyway. Might as well play and lose than not play at all.

yeah! your my next match i believe twig, so, fight valiently

[tw1g007]

yeah! your my next match i believe twig, so, fight valiently

Yea I expressed shipped my adaptor not too long ago. Hopefully it gets here by Wednesday or Thursday. D:

[Shuruka]

Yea I expressed shipped my adaptor not too long ago. Hopefully it gets here by Wednesday or Thursday. D:

teehee, i can wait till the 15th if i have too tw1g.

[Hella-Bright]

BLARRRGGGG!!

Me and Judah are fighting today. I hope.

Oh and gg's Nar. You did well vs Sd1Ad's Terra as empy, I was impressed that you were able to last so long.

[Shinso]

Well, I'm going to assume since it's past deadline and Miller never responded to my messages, he's just out, putting me up against Funky :(

I have to win or else Rebellion will kill me, so yeah...

[Hella-Bright]

I did horrible against Judah on the first round and I did....okay the second round.

Fucking running everywhere judah! COULDN'T CATCH THAT BUGGER!!!

[SilvaKairi]

:( awwww, im sry hella , at least we can fight now o.o

[Hella-Bright]

Its okay I guess. I could only do so much...

[Rebellion]

Shinso, I am going to kill you. :)

[Shinso]

NOOO!!!! I tried, what more can I say

[Hella-Bright]

POOR SHINSO!!

lawl

[Wedge]

GREAT JOB GUYS. Keep it up with getting those matches in! The sooner the better!

[Hella-Bright]

Me and Tabby are doing ours today.

[SilvaKairi]

i hope we do, cuz my battery is pissing me off

[funkyman02]

Spyder, I know we talked after the matches but it must be known publicly. Those matches were by far some of the best matches I have played in a tourney setting. I wasn't aware that I played differently in a tourney setting! I am sure many users in the board will have a blast watching them just like we had a blast playing them. So much damn fun. Thanks a lot. :D

[Shuruka]

there goes it, lost the only two fights i had. kinda depressing really, i wanted to go so far. well oh well right? next time maybe :)

[Demitel]

Whoa. Kickass, Ehx. It's nice to see a major tournament match won by Exdeath Ehxdeath. XD

[Hella-Bright]

More like Sehxdeath!! :O
I'M LAME!!!

[Wedge]

You guys done dick riding? No? Ok. For your viewing pleasure then.
(I'm actually just looking for an excuse to post this vid. XD)
YouTube- Boondocks Season 3 &quot;Dick Riding Obama&quot;

[Proximately]

This isn't fun anymore, I just wanna' lie down and cry... or fantasise about killing someone. If I'm already in a bad mood next time I start playing I'm probably gonna' break something I end up regretting. Poor losers for the win... not.

[Wedge]

This isn't fun anymore, I just wanna' lie down and cry... or fantasise about killing someone. If I'm already in a bad mood next time I start playing I'm probably gonna' break something I end up regretting. Poor losers for the win... not.

Prox, its a tournament. Losing is a big part of it. I don't like losing either, hell I'm probably going to lose today, but thats DFF for ya. You just learn from it and move on.

[Proximately]

Doesn't matter. Being a poor loser is something you are, not something you suddenly snap in and out of. But I've been fighting it, so I didn't feel so bad when I lost the first match. It also may have something to do with that I hate playing against Gabranth... Whatever. xD In a tournament it's ok to be a poor loser in my opinion. :P

[Draec Khin]

Doesn't matter. Being a poor loser is something you are, not something you suddenly snap in and out of. But I've been fighting it, so I didn't feel so bad when I lost the first match. It also may have something to do with that I hate playing against Gabranth... Whatever. xD In a tournament it's ok to be a poor loser in my opinion. :P

No one is a poor loser. There is no such thing -- thinking like that is wrong. I feel depressed too when I lose in a tourney for whatever reason -- but you gotta pick yourself up and do better next time. It is never about winning/losing it is how far you are willing to go and not give up. Think about the journey than rather about an end. As long as you try, you or anyone else is not and never be a loser. So if you fail, try, try, try, and try again until you succeed and keep going.

So aim for the moon, and if you miss you are surely to land among the stars.

[Wedge]

You know, instead of trying to get my point across, I'm simply deleting your posts because I don't need people bashing this tournament or my participants.

[Lycoris]

^
"Try" not to be depressed when you lose.
Easier said but still, try to think about the reason why you entered.
These are all awesome people and if you lose to one of them, so what? Say good luck to them and continue on. As long as you have fun during the tourney right? The tourneys are held not only to challenge oneself but so that people can have fun while competing. Look on the brighter side and enjoy the experience. Practise a little a do better next time! Even if you don't aim to be better, aim to have more fun instead!

[Proximately]

I'm a competitive person by nature, and trust me, I'm working on the "sore loser" part. This was just me letting off some steam, I particularily hate playing against good Gabranth players. Don't worry, I won't let it ruin my game (or my day for that matter).

[Lycoris]

That's good! Take care of yourself and mind! Competitive is good and if you're working on being a "sore loser", good for you!! =D

[tw1g007]

I'm a competitive person by nature, and trust me, I'm working on the "sore loser" part. This was just me letting off some steam, I particularily hate playing against good Gabranth players. Don't worry, I won't let it ruin my game (or my day for that matter).

Very understandable. I mean.. look at my sig for my most hated match up. ;)

[Shuruka]

Very understandable. I mean.. look at my sig for my most hated match up. ;)

tis a sad sad day for shuey too, hyne beat me, wasnt playin my best :\

[Hella-Bright]

You know, instead of trying to get my point across, I'm simply deleting your posts because I don't need people bashing this tournament or my participants.
AWH!! BUT BUT WEDGE!!....Flamers are FUUUUUNNNNN, in their own respect. What did the guy say though :3 I wanna know :3 YOU HAVE PEAKED MY CURIOSITY~

[Wedge]

Today is the last day for Round 3 everyone!

Remaining matches to be done for Round 3 are:
-Tw1g vs Wedge (to be done today)
-Demitel vs Yunoa
-Rebellion vs Haruhiist (Given a 1 day extension)

[Veysey]

Play well Twig and Wedge! I hope you two put on a great show! Looking forward to seeing what Wedge has up his sleeve against a mage user ... especially one who trains regularly (or at least used to) with Meoark O_O

[Shuruka]

DNC Round 4 WB

Match 1: xffixbmlx (ExDeath) vs. Funkyman02 (Kefka) = xffixbmlx (ExDeath) 1-0
Match 2: xffixbmlx (ExDeath) vs. Funkyman02 (Firion) = Funkyman02 (Firion) 1-1
Match 3: xffixbmlx (ExDeath) vs. Funkyman02 (CoD) = xffixbmlx (ExDeath) 2-1

Winner ~ xffixbmlx (ExDeath) 2-1 against Funkyman02.


must be your GOAL to win everything with exdeath.

[Veysey]

Loving the Exdeath use, xffixbmlx. Congrats on the win!

And awesome Wedge! I simply cannot wait to see those matches! I can't help but feel that Twig really made you work for the win though (which makes for a better viewing for us spectators!). Congrats!

[Haruhiist]

My gawd, I lost by a landslide. Dx
Even though he was left with one HP, I only hit him like once or twice per match. ~>~
GG Rebellion, lets play again soon xD (Sephiroth practiz!)

[Hella-Bright]

GG's Rebellion. My heart was POUNDING during the Garland vs Sephiroth I was like EHHHH!!!! 1 hp, FECK FECK FECK!!! lol

And all those Heartless angel close calls D:

BTW can I request music?

[Wedge]

GG's Rebellion. My heart was POUNDING during the Garland vs Sephiroth I was like EHHHH!!!! 1 hp, FECK FECK FECK!!! lol

And all those Heartless angel close calls D:

BTW can I request music?

Yes you can HB, just send the specification to the Kai email and we are happy to use whatever.

[Hella-Bright]

Awesome! Okay, I sent a Follow up E-mail with the music!

[Veysey]

Woah... Yunoa must be one heck of a competitor. Took out RDF and now Wedge? Congrats!!

You'd better tear up the LB, Wedge!

I'm also surprised that Draec didn't at least get a round off of Robo. If I was a betting man, I'd have said you would have at LEAST taken it to match 3. Congrats Robo!!

DNC is getting pretty freaking interesting!

[RoboDestroyer]

Heh, Draec was pretty pissed at how I beat him in both matches. You'll see why when the vid gets uploaded (Tuesday)

[RDFMASTER]

I see Yunoa is doing well ;)

GO YUNOA GO ;)

[Wedge]

Woah... Yunoa must be one heck of a competitor. Took out RDF and now Wedge? Congrats!!

You'd better tear up the LB, Wedge!

I'm also surprised that Draec didn't at least get a round off of Robo. If I was a betting man, I'd have said you would have at LEAST taken it to match 3. Congrats Robo!!

DNC is getting pretty freaking interesting!

Yunoa got me Match 1 with camping at the banish trap ceiling with Terra til EX holy = gg.

Match 2 I had the win and was going to go into burst mid Triumphant Grasp to finish it but I failed to go into EX in time to do it and I ended up getting bursted back instead + the brave pool.

I was able to save Match 1 but in the midst of my dismal failure I forgot to save Match 2. GG's nonetheless Yunoa. I don't mind losing when I get outplayed, but when I lose due to my own error I'm going to be kicking myself in the ass a lot for it. :P

[Demitel]

Yeah, I basically had a full EX Bar in my first match with Yunoa that could've turned the tide, but with a fucked-up chase HP dodge, I lost the whole thing, along with my chance of turning the match around, haha. It's not over yet, though.

[Shuruka]

I see Yunoa is doing well ;)

GO YUNOA GO ;)

kinda knew yunoa was gonna go far as soon as he beat you, you and Ehx are the top players i've fuaght on kai, and ehx is on the other side of the winners bracket, though when i saw he was against wedge... i was wondering who was winning that, I've seen both their fights thus far, and I have to say i thought those would be amazing fights, i must see them.

you made one hell of a killing machine RDF. look what you've done to our brackets! :0

GG's so far everyone, I cant wait to see more.

[RDFMASTER]

kinda knew yunoa was gonna go far as soon as he beat you, you and Ehx are the top players i've fuaght on kai, and ehx is on the other side of the winners bracket, though when i saw he was against wedge... i was wondering who was winning that, I've seen both their fights thus far, and I have to say i thought those would be amazing fights, i must see them.

you made one hell of a killing machine RDF. look what you've done to our brackets! :0

GG's so far everyone, I cant wait to see more.

I was expecting him to get to the finals even with hard competition in front.

Not offend to Demitel or Wedge but we want to see new people shining ;)

Also, i am not top player just a good one LOL.

[Shuruka]

I was expecting him to get to the finals even with hard competition in front.

Not offend to Demitel or Wedge but we want to see new people shining ;)

we need some new people to shine, thats why i played.... i didnt make it far though. so oh well.

[Hella-Bright]

Yopu did well enough Shuru! No worries!

[Shuruka]

Yopu did well enough Shuru! No worries!

i did three things, got a bye in round one, beat twig once then got owned, then beat HYNE once, then got owned XD Im not worried i lost or anything, but after the first fight with both HYNE and twig how it went...

[Hella-Bright]

So? You just need more practice is all.

[Shuruka]

So? You just need more practice is all.

haha, thanks hella, :).

anyways, i am practicing now inbetween S4 league and assassins creed

[Hella-Bright]

I don't see why my battle vs Rebellion needed to be HD...

[RDFMASTER]

I don't see why my battle vs Rebellion needed to be HD...

Because you are cool :D

[xffixbmlx]

kinda knew yunoa was gonna go far as soon as he beat you, you and Ehx are the top players i've fuaght on kai

That's hilarious.

[funkyman02]

That's hilarious.

Awww. You're good Ehx. I can't wait to have some matches in KAoS v2.0 with you.

[xffixbmlx]

He forgot to include you, which is why it's so hilarious =P But yes, that would be oh so smexy..

[funkyman02]

I suck crazy in the equips scene.

[Shuruka]

I suck crazy in the equips scene.

i also havnt gotten much a grip on my kefka matchup and you havnt used your kefka on me (or gone all out on me...)

[funkyman02]

i also havnt gotten much a grip on my kefka matchup and you havnt used your kefka on me (or gone all out on me...)

I do it out of common courtesy. I have a thing about using my main in friendlies, until I get the urge to use him when the person is leaving and end the night with him. Yeppers.

[Slayer0]

Awwww right, I get to play Spyder tomorrow. I doubt the matches will be quite as exciting as funky vs Spyder, though.

<_<

._.

/no confidence

[Hella-Bright]

You know what Slayer....

YOU CAN DO IT!! DOOOOO IIIITTTT!!!!

[RDFMASTER]

Awwww right, I get to play Spyder tomorrow. I doubt the matches will be quite as exciting as funky vs Spyder, though.

<_<

._.

/no confidence

Believe in yourself, as your stronger friend. :cool:

[Hella-Bright]

:O Good job RDF. I saw the Judah battle and it was cooolieo

[RDFMASTER]

:O Good job RDF. I saw the Judah battle and it was cooolieo

Thanks ;)

Good Luck with Demitel since i believe twg1 has many IRL problems.

[Demitel]

Yeah, it looks like tw1g is probably out now, unfortunately. :\

As such, when would you like to set up a match? I don't want to postpone it too terribly far, as I'll be moving next week, but whatever you feel comfortable with. If tw1g does show back up, and if we've already fought, you could probably just do a match against him and we can adjust our results accordingly, if needed, but after his ominous message, I don't think that's going to be the case, sadly. :\

[Hella-Bright]

Lets wait until the deadline is up. He has a 1-2 day extention but if nothing comes uo then me and you can fight on the 30th if you want. But I believe money the 31 would be better because I have a day off. But if you can only do it the 30th then I'm free after 7-7:30 my time.

[Demitel]

I think the way the rounds are working out, our deadline wouldn't be until next week, on Friday the 4th. Better earlier than not, though. I work from 11 a.m. to 9 p.m. (your time) on the 30th and probably 3 p.m. to 9 p.m. on the 31st as well. We can check with Wedge on the proper deadlines, but would June 1 be viable at all for you?

[Wedge]

I think the way the rounds are working out, our deadline wouldn't be until next week, on Friday the 4th. Better earlier than not, though. I work from 11 a.m. to 9 p.m. (your time) on the 30th and probably 3 p.m. to 9 p.m. on the 31st as well. We can check with Wedge on the proper deadlines, but would June 1 be viable at all for you?

Tw1g hasn't responded to my PM's so the deadline is still the 30th for HB and Tw1g. After that period of time, HB will advance to the next round.

[Hella-Bright]

Look at me!! Reviveing this area ONCE AGAIN!!

I'm looking forward to fighting you Demi! THE MATCHES SHALL BE EPIC.... I hope :/

Unless I die from HolyComboCriticalDeathD:....

[tw1g007]

Already PM'd Wedge.

Goodluck VS Demi Hella and I would also like to thank everyone for the support.

[Wedge]

Tw1g has dropped out. Hella-Bright advances.

sd1ad and RDF2050 will be fighting on the 31st due to schedule conflicts.

[Hella-Bright]

Tw1g has dropped out. Hella-Bright advances.

sd1ad and RDF2050 will be fighting on the 31st due to schedule conflicts.

Awh, tits. Alright, LETS GET IT OOOOOOOOOOON DEMI! D:<

P.S. Wedge, Xffixbmlx will send his replays ASAP. No internet connections means that he needs to go to a Starbucks and steal their internetz.

[RDFMASTER]

I am waiting for sd1ad :(

They said 4 PM EDT and they have not even log in in the IRC.

[Hella-Bright]

:| I hate waiting, but I gosta.

[funkyman02]

Hella-Bright, having the matches today?

[Hella-Bright]

Today or tomorrow. Its up to Demitel really.

[RDFMASTER]

I am ready for you Wedge :P

[Hella-Bright]

No idea where Demitel is >_>

[pinKtaco]

No idea where Demitel is >_>

He is moving into another town since two days.
So there could be still some days for him? :|

[Hella-Bright]

But he said yesterday or today >_>.

Wedge only gives at most a 2 day extention... I think D:

[pinKtaco]

well I think he could come probably in some hours then. (I mean on this time he isnt so much on)

[Hella-Bright]

Well okay then Mizuuuuu

[Demitel]

LB Round 6:

Match1: Hella-Bright(Garland) vs Demitel(Terra) = Demitel(Terra) 0-1
Match2: Hella-Bright(Garland) vs Demitel(Terra) = Hella-Bright(Garland) 1-1
Match3: Hella-Bright(Garland) vs Demitel(Terra) = Demitel(Terra) 2-1

HolyComboDeathD:

I will say, though, you did devise a good counter for it. I was honestly expecting Cloud of Darkness and Wrath, but I got an unflinching Garland. Those first or third matches easily could've gone to you too. At the end of the third one, though, I finally got around to thinking, "Hey, I wonder what this 'R' button does." >_> Either way, Hella, you fought really, really well. You honestly don't give yourself enough credit. They were great matches. :X

Also, Funky, I know you're not too terribly big on delays, but things are still hectic for me, so I need to do some planning for a good fight time. What's your schedule like?

[Hella-Bright]

He he he....he.... >_>

[Wedge]

Demitel advances to the next round. I apologize for the wait and any inconvenience this delay may have caused. That is all.

[Veysey]

Congrats on the win RDF.

Aww man, there goes Wedge. Too much MGS, not enough Dissidia ;)
(just teasing, as usual, we're proud to have you repping Jecht and performing so well!)

[Hella-Bright]

What happened to Wedge vs RDF video?






ENTEI DOES NOT LIKE!

[Wedge]

What happened to Wedge vs RDF video?


The match is currently under review.

[Haruhiist]

Does it have to do with the wall rush combos? o_o
I thought those were pretty.. erm, one-sided to put it nicely.

[funkyman02]

I thought those were pretty.. erm, semi-infinite.

REDO IS NEEDED!

[Veysey]

I thought those were pretty.. erm, semi-infinite.

REDO IS NEEDED!

I know it's slightly off topic but is there a way out of trance Kuja chase loops? Wouldn't that be considered semi-infinite as well? I'm bringing it up because I think there may be more than just WoL that needs to be considered in this subject.

[ShineThatLight]

If you can pull off the Buckler wallrush combos, they are very hard to get out (if not impossible) I know that from playing around before.. But I could have sworn Jecht could Jecht Block them.... Oh well, can't really recall atm. Those combos are awesome anyways haha. @Veysey, no because you can get out of those by hitting Kuja in chase, since it presents a way to escape them, they aren't infinite because the Kuja could mess up chase. The WoL combos involve you hitting someone down, or up into a ceiling, chasing, then when they do wallcrash the chase sequence ends and you can do another Buckler attack.. That is if these are the combos that they are talking about.

[Shuruka]

He he he....he.... >_>

you really dont give enough credit to yourself. your the Best CoD I've faced before, and i've faced a few, and your garland aint something to mess with either.

[SilvaKairi]

But Hella said i Wrath better then he can o,.o

[Shuruka]

But Hella said i Wrath better then he can o,.o

i dunno if thats true or not, but last i played your CoD it was still lack luster, though Practice makes perfect, so for all i know you could be better, but wrath isnt everything that makes the CoD :)

regardless, tabs you've shaped yourself into a great player, and hella has too, i have not, I'vve been busy with real life and other games, replaying halo for my buddy, and S4 league.

soo... not the place to say it, but if any DNC entrents want matches from the not-so-all-powerful-shuru, pm him :)

but really, both of you got much better then i expected you to have in my first downtime.

[Hella-Bright]

i dunno if thats true or not, but last i played your CoD it was still lack luster, though Practice makes perfect, so for all i know you could be better, but wrath isnt everything that makes the CoD :)

regardless, tabs you've shaped yourself into a great player, and hella has too, i have not, I'vve been busy with real life and other games, replaying halo for my buddy, and S4 league.

soo... not the place to say it, but if any DNC entrents want matches from the not-so-all-powerful-shuru, pm him :)

but really, both of you got much better then i expected you to have in my first downtime.
Thats because you have not been playing Dissidia shuru.
http://i50.tinypic.com/30lgv1l.jpg
YOU SEE SHURU!! Entei does not approve!

Entei wants you to practice, or Entei will have to get rough with you!


OH and for the topic at hand.
I'm not sure about that combo, it makes every character cry though...

[funkyman02]

I know it's slightly off topic but is there a way out of trance Kuja chase loops? Wouldn't that be considered semi-infinite as well? I'm bringing it up because I think there may be more than just WoL that needs to be considered in this subject.

Nope, Kuja's "infinite chase" can be gotten out of since, just as Shine stated you can hit him out of it and can block the incoming attack that the Kuja will immediately do after chase. I know that there are instances where you can not get out of it at all no matter what but I don't know what certain elements have to be established for that to happen. Firion, for instance, can also "infinite" chase with Aerial SS while other times the opponent can dodge or block.

And I think what RDF did was abuse the exploit of button lock and the only way Wedge was able to get out was when, as I heard RDF say it himself, "he messed up." Sudden Cruelty -> Sudden Cruelty with Sephy can also be gotten out of eventually so it was labeled a semi-infinite. What I have seen in the video, and what I have heard from testing with several people, the combo can be done multiple times without the opponent being able to escape. Thus, I call redo.

[Hella-Bright]

I agree funky, I would like to see a redo as well.

[Hollowed]

Problem, DNC?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/kakarot1123/Final%20Fantasy/Dissidia/wololololol.jpg
WOLOLOLOLOL

I'm wondering if Wall Rush combos will be dealt with differently in tournament settings from now on. What I saw couldn't really be called a fight. :/

[Hallabaloo4]

sadly, Redo's are only used for smaller mistakes, as the combo was intentional, i don't see a rematch happening any time soon.

[Hella-Bright]

Problem, DNC?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/kakarot1123/Final%20Fantasy/Dissidia/wololololol.jpg
WOLOLOLOLOL

I'm wondering if Wall Rush combos will be dealt with differently in tournament settings from now on. What I saw couldn't really be called a fight. :/
It was called a wall crush rape fest.

[RDFMASTER]

It was called a wall crush rape fest.

This is why I use the combo on wedge. People did not care that much about Button Lock and now that I use them for wall rush combos abuse, they complain. This is not my fault Wedge did not practice of how he should. I know the match up doesn't look well for Jecht vs WoL but if you have a match, please take it seriously. Your opponent want you at your best, don't disappoint them.


sadly, Redo's are only used for smaller mistakes, as the combo was intentional, i don't see a rematch happening any time soon.

As people said early, Redo (rematch) are make when the player made small mistakes. If Wedge want to DQ just because he did not state in the rules that wall rush combos are not allow, he can go ahead. BESIDES THIS IS HIS TOURNEY NOT MINE. I demonstrate here the following: What is an infinite really? is just repeating the same move in row without the opponent have chance to escape or something else.

I will made a thread in the Warrior of Light sub-forums. This thread will show what you can do after you button lock your opponent.

I don't think Wedge will want rematch but I am sure he wants to DQ for this. This is your tourney, your law and your the hosted. I read the rules and infinites are not allow and base on what I see in the infinite list; WoL button Lock combos are not there. Also, you can only do it in 5 stages of the entire stages in the game. The timing is hard and one mistake can get either get blocked or punish.


It is up to you: WEDGE!

[funkyman02]

I have actually always looked down upon button lock and have told you I don't enjoy it to your face, RDF. I only did it when I was playing against Judah to help him since you LOVE to exploit the glitch. And while button lock itself may not be banned, infinites are. You yourself said that the opponent cannot get out of the combo unless you mess up. The fact is that it is inescapable. Rising Fang combos can be gotten out of with 1-2 frames for blocking and can even miss if the Cloud is too close to the wall.

What you demonstrated was essentially and infinite because you decided to keep going with the combo. If you did say Ascension --> wall crash --> Upper Buckler --> down buckler --> HP this wouldn't be a problem but you continued to do it twice. I personally feel that it falls into, if anything, the semi-infinite combo and we all know that SC --> SC is illegal.

[xffixbmlx]

I agree with RDF. Although the Infinite List (Robo's list?) clearly does not state anything about WoL's button-locking glitch, this is definitely something that needs to be addressed in the future.

But wait, doesn't wall/ceiling rushing end a combo? Correct me if I'm mistaken...

[Wedge]

I agree with RDF. Although the Infinite List (Robo's list?) clearly does not state anything about WoL's button-locking glitch, this is definitely something that needs to be addressed in the future.

But wait, doesn't wall/ceiling rushing end a combo? Correct me if I'm mistaken...

There are in fact wall rush infinites. CoD has one.

And what we are constituting as an infinite here is a move used more that once in a combo. Ignore Robo's infinite thread because thats not what I based infinites off of at all.

This has nothing to do with button lock. This has to do with infinites. RDF himself said that if he gets the combo right, the wall rush combo is inescapable preventing you from getting 1 frame to attack/block/dodge/whatever. Thats what constitutes a combo.

Meoark and RDF practiced this combo several times and Meoark was only able to escape the combo 2 out of 20+ times which could possibly mean human error. I myself was only able to escape the loop when he failed to perform the combo properly. As stated from RDF.

[Hallabaloo4]

but if rdf wanted to, he could have continued that combo forever, because as he stated AGAIN its inescapable unless he messes up, he could have just kept doing it forever and wedge would have been able to do NOTHING ;/

[Spyder]

I read the rules and infinites are not allow and base on what I see in the infinite list; WoL button Lock combos are not there.

The WoL button lock combo was not banned because there is nothing wrong with Rising buckler > Shield Strike > Ascension, and it certainly doesn't break any rules.

The fact that you performed Ascension > Rising Buckler > Shield Strike > Ascension is the problem. There is no escaping this chain unless the one doing it messes up. It's not the problem with the button lock. It's the problem that you have incorporated the same move--Ascension--in the combo.

[Wedge]

The WoL button lock combo was not banned because there is nothing wrong with Rising buckler > Shield Strike > Ascension, and it certainly doesn't break any rules.

The fact that you performed Ascension > Rising Buckler > Shield Strike > Ascension is the problem. There is no escaping this chain unless the one doing it messes up. It's not the problem with the button lock. It's the problem that you have incorporated the same move--Ascension--in the combo.

In match 1, Ascension > Rising Strike > Shield Strike > Ascension > Rising Strike occurred. RDF attemped a 2nd Shield Strike but failed.
Ascension AND Rising Strike were performed more than once and also let it be noted that a 2nd Shield Strike was attempted.

In Match 2 Ascension > Rising Strike > Shield Strike > Ascension > Rising Strike > Shield Strike > Crossover was performed.
Ascension, Rising Strike and Shield Strike were each performed more than twice in the combo.

[ShineThatLight]

Waaaait wait wait... what?
That combo seems insanely finicky, I wouldn't call it reliable at all.. but what can we do about wallrush? So far only a handful of characters even have the capability to perform these infinite wallcrash combos..

I don't honestly believe that combo could be inescapable.. but I would love to see the replays. Sounds like there just isn't a hole in the combo..so far.. but one could be found I bet. It really does sound like the combos Tidus can do with Full Slide > Wallrush > Hopstep.. that is escapable right? Just a matter of finding out how to escape it.


Also, how are you determining infinites? Because I saw it stated before KAoS started that the combo restarts the count on the moves you use if you wallrush.. Something like this should clearly be defined before a tourny starts, sorry to say it.. but if you didn't clearly define what constitutes as an infinite then you shouldn't expect people to just know, and if RDF found that old thread and assumed this was ok.. and you didn't correct it in the tourny rules.. then there shouldn't be a DQ.. Mind if I take a look at the replays?

[RDFMASTER]

This is what i was waiting for. No one ever see this kind of things happen and i ask again? What is an infinite really?

I will like people address this now than someone else do it and abuse it in another tourney setting for AHP. Sorry wedge for being the victim but i need to show what it really does. It is better if someone that you know use it than someone else you never talk or play before.

WE NEED TO DEFINE WHAT IS AN INFINITE AND HOW MANY ARE IN THE GAME. In addition, we need an infinite/Semi/whatever list which show to ALL MEMBERS what you are not allow to do in a tourney. This list will adress whatever possible semi/infinites happen in a tourney match in the future. I can take the consequence of doing this but i really want to show WE MISSING SOMETHING.

THE INFINITES LIST

[Wedge]

This is what i was waiting for. No one ever see this kind of things happen and i ask again? What is an infinite really?

I will like people address this now than someone else do it and abuse it in another tourney setting for AHP. Sorry wedge for being the victim but i need to show what it really does. It is better if someone that you know use it than someone else you never talk or play before.

WE NEED TO DEFINE WHAT IS AN INFINITE AND HOW MANY ARE IN THE GAME. In addition, we need an infinite/Semi/whatever list which show to ALL MEMBERS what you are not allow to do in a tourney. This list will adress whatever possible semi/infinites happen in a tourney match in the future. I can take the consequence of doing this but i really want to show WE MISSING SOMETHING.

THE INFINITES LIST

There is no need for a list of infinites, though its nice to have reference.

An infinite is any move used more than once in an inescapable combo.

And please RDF don't say you used that combo to "show" anything, because you were training to use it against me to win through what you thought was an exploit. Not anything else.

[RoboDestroyer]

Please note Wedge that when we discussed this with Rei-N wall rush combos were not included because Rei said they were escapable. I wanted to add them

[Hella-Bright]

. ____.

How is this moveing the torunament along? May I ask?

I realize this is a HOT topic and all. But this tournament is almost over, only a couple rounds left. So if we could come to a conclusion with this, please.

[ShineThatLight]

Please note Wedge that when we discussed this with Rei-N wall rush combos were not included because Rei said they were escapable. I wanted to add them

That is what I was saying, a lot of people are under the impression that Wallrush combos are not infinite. Someone has to take responsibility on what can and can't be done.

[Lycoris]

^
What Robo's saying is that's what you guys as hosts agreed upon, at least what Rei-N thought, I don't know if you had agreed upon it but it ended up not listed. Me and Robo think that Wallrush combo's are possible to be infinites

[Amphoric]

imo button locking should be banned also, its exploiting a glitch in the game.... if u do button lock the opponent by accident u can just let him land and let him recover (ex guard rules wise)

[ShineThatLight]

Glitches like the Holy glitch? What about those? There is plenty of discussion on all this.

[RoboDestroyer]

imo button locking should be banned also, its exploiting a glitch in the game.... if u do button lock the opponent by accident u can just let him land and let him recover (ex guard rules wise)Bartz Holy
Terra Holy
Terra Meltdown -> Holy
Searchlight -> Paladin Force
Fire -> Omnislash
Kuja EX mode -> Brv attack

All these are glitches, should they be banned? Everyone does them

[Veysey]

I don't honestly believe that combo could be inescapable.. but I would love to see the replays. Sounds like there just isn't a hole in the combo..so far.. but one could be found I bet. It really does sound like the combos Tidus can do with Full Slide > Wallrush > Hopstep.. that is escapable right? Just a matter of finding out how to escape it.

Actually, I fought RDF right before the match as well. After he performed it on me in the first match, I switched up to put Jecht Block on neutral O and tried mashing for all I was worth to see where the holes were in the combo (which didn't really work out well).

I didn't let RDF know anything about whether I thought it was escapable or not or any other theories/points I was noting since I wasn't going to do anything to give any unfair advantages. In the end, I didn't think it was possible to get out of outside of mistakes by the player but I also only played him for a couple of matches.

Personally, I agree on the point of two moves appearing in the same combo as infinite as Spyder/Wedge mentioned. That much makes perfect sense and I'm pretty sure I've read that concept on infinites before.

As for the button lock, that was fair game up until this point in time. RDF brought a tactic to the table and it's sparking debate now - I'd like to remind everyone that THIS is one of the reasons for tournaments. People bring their best performances and tactics to the table and do what they can to prove that the tactic is superior and should be adopted by the masses. Sometimes exactly that happens, other times it sees a situation that everyone is currently experiencing.

In the end, I don't think the combo including two of various brave attacks that can be used to link (infinite/semi-infinite) is acceptable. So on that regard, I say it's against RDF. In regards to the button lock and wall-rushing, everything was fair game up until now. It's now the communities job to pass judgment for future events. And on that note, I DO want to thank and congratulate RDF on his hard work. Even if it is eventually deemed as something that is banned in future instances, none of us can deny that RDF has found something interesting and creative. No matter what the outcome, he's helped develop the competitive scene.


Thanks Funky and Shine for the clarification on Kuja. I have lots more questions, but this isn't the time nor place :P

[Amphoric]

Bartz Holy
Terra Holy
Terra Meltdown -> Holy
Searchlight -> Paladin Force
Fire -> Omnislash
Kuja EX mode -> Brv attack

All these are glitches, should they be banned? Everyone does them

thing is, these glitches dont lead to infinites (none than I know of)..... thats what im trying to imply...

[Lycoris]

thing is, these glitches dont lead to infinites..... thats what im trying to imply...

This could be argued for RDF at the same time, it's a very iffy example. All glitches are being used in the game, so why not the button-lock? As long as it's not abused like in this case.

It's the player's choice to abuse or not, just like a regular infinite. Not all characters have Wall-rush infinites. But not all characters have infinites at all. Normal infinites are banned, so why not wall-rush infinites?

If RDF had stopped at Ascension, I would say it's perfectly legitimate as it's just like the Cross-over combo. But repeating the move, yes that could be considered an infinite since it could be repeated. Cloud's Rising Fang is same concept but different as it cannot be led into an infinite like Shield Buckler and repeat.

Wall rush comboes are when they can't be led into an infinite but WoL's Up/Down shield can definitely be considered as an infinite.

At least this is my opinion in this situation.

[Shuruka]

why dont we get onto the DQ/win/honorable resignation?

though i do believe this is an infinate, since what i believe an infinate is stated as is the use of the same move more then once in a combo that is UNEXCAPABLE.

for example sudden cruelty > sudden cruelty > oblivion > octaslash

instead of Sudden cruelty > wait > sudden cruelty > oblivion > octaslash, the wait time is at least a frame for the opponant to block or dodge the attack

and since wedge Had no possible way to dodge said attack, RDF could link it into the same chain of attacks, for if you can use the same move in a combo that started said combo, the combo can in fact restart and continue.

AND if RDF could, and DID do that, should it not be considered an infinate and not discussed, simply banned from further use and DQ/Rematched?

[ShineThatLight]

Bartz Holy
Terra Holy
Terra Meltdown -> Holy
Searchlight -> Paladin Force
Fire -> Omnislash
Kuja EX mode -> Brv attack

All these are glitches, should they be banned? Everyone does them

Not to mention WoL's exmode fang glitches.

Anyways, thinking it over, if this was a true combo (ie. unescapable) then Ascension -> Rising -> Shield -> Ascension is most definitely illegal. But, if it wasn't a true combo, and is escapable.. then it was a techable combo. So.. why not have RDF show us how to get out of this without relying on human error? If it is consistently and legitimately escapable then it wasn't an infinite. From the sounds of it, this was an inescapable combo, that contained more than one of the same move. Ascension -> Rising -> Shield -> Crossover seems like an amazing combo though.
RDF you are pretty boned, mon ami. You put the nail in your coffin the second you did that second Ascension. If you made the combo, then show us how to get out of it, if you can't escape it then you found a very long WoL infinite.

tl;dr.. Sux fer j00 mang

[funkyman02]

Well I don't think he really needs to show us that it is inescapable when he was the first one to say that one cannot escape unless RDF himself fucked up. It's a "Straight from the horse's mouth" type of deal here. And didn't Wedge say that him and Meoark were seeing if there was a moment to get free but RDF was successful over 20+ times. What more needs to be said when the creator of said combo (or infinite) is the first one to bite himself in the ass?

[Hallabaloo4]

okay, so its been proven inescapable by the creator himself, and multiple witnesses, moves were used multiple times in the process of the "combo" and a major abuse of multiple button locks within less than a minute is what it looks like every1 is saying to me.

Sounds like:
"Infinite/GlitchAbuse"

[ShineThatLight]

Yes, I was aware of that, but who knows, I would talk up my own combos.. its better than going 'yeah there is a way to get out of it but im not gonna tell ya!'

Anyways, it seems more fair to give him a day to find a consistent way to get out of it, seeing as this is kinda controversial. Like trial by jury sort of thing...
But hey, it is up the the TOs.
=== Double post was automatically merged. ===

okay, so its been proven inescapable by the creator himself, and multiple witnesses, moves were used multiple times in the process of the "combo" and a major abuse of multiple button locks within less than a minute is what it looks like every1 is saying to me.

Sounds like:
"Infinite/GlitchAbuse"

I'd like to state that Glitch abuse isn't against the rules, and although it allowed this combo to work, there is nothing bad about the button lock besides the fact it made this one infinite combo possible.

[RDFMASTER]

Not to mention WoL's exmode fang glitches.

Anyways, thinking it over, if this was a true combo (ie. unescapable) then Ascension -> Rising -> Shield -> Ascension is most definitely illegal. But, if it wasn't a true combo, and is escapable.. then it was a techable combo. So.. why not have RDF show us how to get out of this without relying on human error? If it is consistently and legitimately escapable then it wasn't an infinite. From the sounds of it, this was an inescapable combo, that contained more than one of the same move. Ascension -> Rising -> Shield -> Crossover seems like an amazing combo though.
RDF you are pretty boned, mon ami. You put the nail in your coffin the second you did that second Ascension. If you made the combo, then show us how to get out of it, if you can't escape it then you found a very long WoL infinite.

tl;dr.. Sux fer j00 mang

Glad people finding the definition of an infinite since it use to be using the same move twice in a row without the opponent to escape. Don't give me BS about it is repeating the same attack in a combo because it has not been show until now nor have a guide of what is an infinite.

Ascension -> Rising -> Shield -> Crossover > Rune Saber = It is legally since it doesn't repeat the same move. Now i bring the Button lock part to get a review and the perfect time was using in a tourney match. If wedge think i rely on this "infinite" to win, then you wrong. I don't need to use infinites nor use exploits to defeat you. I already show you my skills at KAoS and you know the results.

I present this kind stuff to prevent other people find it and abuse it. Whether or not you guys dislike it, you better understand that WE NEED TO MAKE A GUIDE ABOUT WHAT IS DEFINE AS AN INFINITE AND HOW MANY THERE ARE IN THE GAME. If you don't listen to what i am saying then more stuff like this can happen later in the future.

[Slayer0]

I'm pretty sure we defined an infinite as "repeating the same move twice in a row", and we also banned "repeating the same move in one combo". Like...a while ago.

In any case, like Halla said, this is an infinite, case closed. Redos should be a go.

[Hallabaloo4]

Admitting of an Infinite, i believe RDF, not entirely but i DO believe that a strict-laid out definition of an infinite should be shown, because well, with a definition, we shouldn't really need to list them all, and as i would PREFER a redo, i wan't to convince wedge to do redo's but when i talked to him about the decision he seemed to have his heart set on double DQ, hopefully that will change after seeing the public's opinion, but as far as i know, Redo's are only for Mistakes, and that certainly was not a mistake

[Shuruka]

Glad people finding the definition of an infinite since it use to be using the same move twice in a row without the opponent to escape. Don't give me BS about it is repeating the same attack in a combo because it has not been show until now nor have a guide of what is an infinite.

Ascension -> Rising -> Shield -> Crossover > Rune Saber = It is legally since it doesn't repeat the same move. Now i bring the Button lock part to get a review and the perfect time was using in a tourney match. If wedge think i rely on this "infinite" to win, then you wrong. I don't need to use infinites nor use exploits to defeat you. I already show you my skills at KAoS and you know the results.

I present this kind stuff to prevent other people find it and abuse it. Whether or not you guys dislike it, you better understand that WE NEED TO MAKE A GUIDE ABOUT WHAT IS DEFINE AS AN INFINITE AND HOW MANY THERE ARE IN THE GAME. If you don't listen to what i am saying then more stuff like this can happen later in the future.


why did you use it then

seriously. why, the point i make now, is the fact that if you think you can beat him without it, why did you use it to guarentee the win?

also note, its called a non tournament replay battle

[RDFMASTER]

why did you use it then

seriously. why, the point i make now, is the fact that if you think you can beat him without it, why did you use it to guarentee the win?

If i do it in a friendly match, then people WILL NOT CARE. However, since this is a tourney setting then people will TALK ABOUT IT.

[ShineThatLight]

Glad people finding the definition of an infinite since it use to be using the same move twice in a row without the opponent to escape. Don't give me BS about it is repeating the same attack in a combo because it has not been show until now nor have a guide of what is an infinite.


Blue shirts?

In all seriousness.. it was defined a while ago as using any move more than once in a combo, this is why things like Vortex > Tempest > Vortex are illegal.. Think about it RDF.. If you could use the same moves just not in a row, you could just alternate two moves and get the same effect.

[Amphoric]

If i do it in a friendly match, then people WILL NOT CARE. However, since this is a tourney setting then people will TALK ABOUT IT.

ummmm....thats probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard of no offense RDF -_-

Like I'm happy you "wanted" to show everyone this, but from a normal friendlies replay the community coulda told you that is an infinite...

[RDFMASTER]

ummmm....thats probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard of no offense RDF -_-

Like I'm happy you "wanted" to show everyone this, but from a normal friendlies replay the community coulda told you that is an infinite...

Not that much people will talk about it. Like Versey, he has not way to describe what it was until Spyder and Wedge give him an answer about the definition of an infinite. If you guys present what is an infinite then where is located. The community need a redefinition of the term.

I am not offense to anyone comments here. What i want to present is that OPEN YOUR EYES, we need redefinition of an infinite.

[Hella-Bright]

ummmm....thats probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard of no offense RDF -_-

Like I'm happy you "wanted" to show everyone this, but from a normal friendlies replay the community coulda told you that is an infinite...
. ____. Agreed.


Not that much people will talk about it. Like Versey, he has not way to describe what it was until Spyder and Wedge give him an answer about the definition of an infinite. If you guys present what is an infinite then where is located. The community need a redefinition of the term.

I am not offense to anyone comments here. What i want to present is that OPEN YOUR EYES, we need redefinition of an infinite.

RDF, your starting to sound like your For Infinates. Thats all I'm gunna say.

And I don't really see a NEEED for a redefinition because anyone with eyes can see a infinate when it happens. And I'm done.

[ShineThatLight]

Honestly RDF.. you are fully aware you can't do Rising -> Shield -> Rising.. why would you be able to do Ascension -> Rising -> Shield -> Ascension?

[RDFMASTER]

Honestly RDF.. you are fully aware you can't do Rising -> Shield -> Rising.. why would you be able to do Ascension -> Rising -> Shield -> Ascension?

Do we have an infinite complete list? a guide of infinities? the universal definition of an infinite? No.

I can have a rematch but Wedge will just DQ because of the new infinite presented. THERE IS NOT PLACE IN THIS FORUMS WHERE THIS INCIDENT IS PRESENTED UNTIL NOW.


Note: I am sure there are more cases of Wallrush infinities and WoL is not the only one who can do it.

[Hella-Bright]

Do we have an infinite complete list? a guide of infinities? the universal definition of an infinite? No.

I can have a rematch but Wedge will just DQ because of the new infinite presented. THERE IS NOT PLACE IN THIS FORUMS WHERE THIS INCIDENT IS PRESENTED UNTIL NOW.
BECAUSE YOU FUCKING DID IT!

Hello? RDF.

WHEN HAVE YOU SEEN A VIDEO OF THAT COMBO BEFORE NOW!? Seriosuly.

Congradulations RDF you'll now go down in forum history for makeing a new infinate. Woo-Hoo.

[Jirachi]

EDIT: Sorry, nevermind

[Hallabaloo4]

rdf actually admitted he knew it was an infinite. theend

[Hella-Bright]

Sooo.... I guess a DQ?

I'm not saying I want a DQ. I would rather a redo, TBH.

[Jirachi]

Well, I suppose that changes everything. Still....

[Hella-Bright]

Hmmm >__>.

I still want a Redo... that won't change but its up to Wedge and Judah

[RDFMASTER]

rdf actually admitted he knew it was an infinite. theend

I did not knew it was an infinite until Spyder said: Repeating the same move more than twice in a combo even if it not at row TODAY. I have a long chat with spyder and he explains the details of the term but where is this in the FORUMS. WHERE I CAN READ IT, WHERE IT SHOWS WHAT ARE THEY, JUST WHERE.

Also, what does infinite means to you: Halla?. See this is my point, i want an universal definition for the term and no one here has declare what it is until i did this in a tourney.

Jirachi was the first ever person and the tester of this. I was thinking about what is this and if it can be use. I keep it as secret because i need a few try of what it can do. Here is, it was use in the tourney and now the public is classify it as infinite but where is the guide that describe a very important rule for a tourney? NO WHERE.

This is my final post about the issue and Wedge as TO has the right to just DQ for something he did not added to his own rules nor explain what is an infinite in general. If Wedge want a rematch, i will totally accept it with not fear.

Glad to hear all people comments, opinions and point of view of something that need to be revised: What is an infinite? how many are in the game? what is a ceiling infinite?

[Wedge]

Player Wedge:


Ascension -> Rising -> Shield -> Crossover > Rune Saber = It is legally since it doesn't repeat the same move. Now i bring the Button lock part to get a review and the perfect time was using in a tourney match. If wedge think i rely on this "infinite" to win, then you wrong.

You said you don't need an infinite to win... and yet you still used it on me nonetheless... I smell BS sir.


I don't need to use infinites nor use exploits to defeat you. I already show you my skills at KAoS and you know the results.

Its very unsportsmanlike for you to gloat and show off like that. Its not very becoming to have a personality where all you care about is trying to prove your better than everybody and then show off over your win. Yeah you outplayed me in KAoS, so what? Do you need to mention it so you can make your ego feel good? To prove something? It has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Have respect for your opponents bro.

Tournament Organizer Wedge:
On another note, a decision has not yet been reached because we are waiting on confirmation that Ascension > Time Cancel/Dodge Cancel > Shield Strike is indeed a combo.

If it is not a combo, RDF advances.
If it is a combo, the TO team will decide the outcome. It is not my decision to make, because I must be objective, but the Team itself will make the ruling.

Zodiac Braves/Friend/Thingy Wedge:
On a 3rd note: Congrats Funky on your win mate. :D

[RoboDestroyer]

Do we have an infinite complete list? a guide of infinities? the universal definition of an infinite? No.

I can have a rematch but Wedge will just DQ because of the new infinite presented. THERE IS NOT PLACE IN THIS FORUMS WHERE THIS INCIDENT IS PRESENTED UNTIL NOW.


Note: I am sure there are more cases of Wallrush infinities and WoL is not the only one who can do it.
Mordax's definition of an infinite.


You may not link the moves on the list to each other by any method

EXAMPLE:
If the list specifies the following:

Cait Sith:
Trumpet - Bell

then should Cait Sith hit with Trumpet, he may not use Bell as his next attack in the combo

Trumpet - Alarm - Bell is perfectly acceptable
Trumpet - Dodge Cancel - Bell is not
Trumpet - Wall Crash - Bell is not
Trumpet -/ End of Combo /- Bell is fine

A combo is defined to have ended when the opponent:-

* Finishes Dodging
* Dashes
* Steps in a direction
* Finishes standing up
* Has the opportunity to Air Recovery
* Has the opportunity to perform an action in Chase



BECAUSE YOU FUCKING DID IT!

Hello? RDF.

WHEN HAVE YOU SEEN A VIDEO OF THAT COMBO BEFORE NOW!? Seriosuly.

Congradulations RDF you'll now go down in forum history for makeing a new infinate. Woo-Hoo.I found Garland's infinite, WoL, Golbez, Zidane's Rumble Rush infinite. Don't see anyone caring =)

[Shuruka]

this discussion is going on longer then i expected

its the non RDF community bringing up the same points, and RDF trying to counteract those points with gloating, swearing he knew not of the definition of infinate.

to much angar D:

[funkyman02]

At this point, RDF, you seem to be grasping at straws to justify you choice. You showed us something new. Whoopdefuckingdoo. Now you're insulting Wedge's integrity as a player by pulling the "I beat you before! Ha!" card. If anything, you've set up a bad name for yourself with the way you have been acting. I don't understand why you keep going on about definitions and such when you yourself have agreed that it is quite inescapable but now you causing this giant ruckus about definitions and such. I don't need to see the clean cut definition of murder when I know that someone slitting someone's throat is murder.

You continuing the string of combos in such a way showed against Wedge, and you demeanor in this topic only shows how little you think of Wedge and how inflated your ego really is. Did you want a title for finding a new combo? A banner set up in your name? Recognition for SUCH a discovery? Grow up. I've changed my vote from redo to DQ because this is just ridiculous.

As others have stated: The. End.

[Hella-Bright]

I found Garland's infinite, WoL, Golbez, Zidane's Rumble Rush infinite. Don't see anyone caring =)

Sorry Robo :3 Good job doing that :D


At this point, RDF, you seem to be grasping at straws to justify you choice. You showed us something new. Whoopdefuckingdoo. Now you're insulting Wedge's integrity as a player by pulling the "I beat you before! Ha!" card. If anything, you've set up a bad name for yourself with the way you have been acting. I don't understand why you keep going on about definitions and such when you yourself have agreed that it is quite inescapable but now you causing this giant ruckus about definitions and such. I don't need to see the clean cut definition of murder when I know that someone slitting someone's throat is murder.

You continuing the string of combos in such a way showed against Wedge, and you demeanor in this topic only shows how little you think of Wedge and how inflated your ego really is. Did you want a title for finding a new combo? A banner set up in your name? Recognition for SUCH a discovery? Grow up. I've changed my vote from redo to DQ because this is just ridiculous.

As others have stated: The. End.

I agree funky :/

Ugh.... I'm gunna have to change my vote after seeing those last comments. DQ. Just...not cool RDF...

[Amphoric]

Let Wedge and his crew figure out what to do about this...... I hope everyone stops jumping on RDF, sure he did something bad which couldve been shown in a friendlies match.. but yeah.

If any insults get thrown around (flaming wise, swearing at the other member, etc. -> I will use my CL powers to add infractions).

[Bloodsword83]

My view on the subject is this:

Add it the the infinites list, and working with RDF, find other similar combos so that this situation does not rise again.

As far as RDF's round goes, this wasn't on the list. Put it on the list and let him continue on.

[Veysey]

As far as RDF's round goes, this wasn't on the list. Put it on the list and let him continue on.

The only problem here is that just because it wasn't on the list doesn't mean it wasn't an infinite. Infinates were banned from the tourney and that's the real issue here. Also, you have to consider Wedge who did nothing to warrant getting kicked out if RDF is seen as an offender by the TO's. RDF would continue on and Wedge would lose out when the potential for it to be the other way around exists. It really needs to be handled with care - hence the discussion on the subject.

Let's use a little analogy to try and help the thought process along. A normal combo is like a straight line. It has a starting point and an ending point. How long the combo is doesn't matter, what matters is that it's straight and has a clear cut beginning and ending.

Now lets look at an infinite which can be described as a circle or a curved line. If we look at Ascension > Rising Strike > Shield Strike > Ascension > Rising Strike which Wedge had mentioned was used in the first match, once the combo hits the second ascension, it becomes a clean circle and no one can tell where the combo begins or ends anymore. If it only goes Ascension > Raising Strike > Shield Strike, we can see this as a curved line (since this combo can potentially start at any one of these moves and continue based on it's "infinite potential"). The thing is, this curved line isn't complete - we can see exactly where it starts and where it ends and there is no gray area. Once you add in the second Ascension, it completes the cycle and closes the line so to speak - making it impossible to determine a starting and ending point on the combo - thus meaning it can be infinity continued (like a circle).

Hope that gives a little more insight and makes things a little clearer for people.


Also, I'm really happy to see that you've decided to be objective through this Wedge! It's awesome and says a lot about your character. When I first heard, I thought you'd be too hard on yourself and not address the situation properly since you were involved (we're always harder on ourselves :P), but it looks like you're handling things perfectly! Keep up the great work, you and your team are doing an excellent job running the tourney!

[Draec Khin]

Pretty much I would have to agree with you Veysey. That is what I tried saying it here: http://dissidiaforums.com/showpost.php?p=147470&postcount=4, but I really like the graphical version of it.

I always thought that what defines an infinite was "intuitive." And it seems it is since everyone is coming up with very similar definitions using different words.

[Wedge]

Draec Khin and Veysey put it beautifully and I thank you both for your explanations and reasonings on this touchy topic.

I was testing the Ascension > TimeCancel/DodgeCancel > Rising Buckler with Hallabaloo4 last night with extreme slowdown to allow complete abuse of frames and came to the conclustion it is indeed a legitimate combo. Blocks, Dodges and 1Frame attacks (Jecht Block ect) were tested as escape options, but were to no avail. We will be waiting on the judgment of the the other TO's shortly. I myself do not even know the decision they have all voted upon. Judah01 will post the decision. After the verdict has been reached I will post new brackets and the last 3 rounds of DNC will conclude.

Thank you for your patience.

[ShineThatLight]

Well.. cool to know WoL has a new combo? :D Next time.. just end it with Crossover :]

[Wedge]

Well.. cool to know WoL has a new combo? :D Next time.. just end it with Crossover :]

Pretty much that ^^^^. Instead he decided to do a 7 hit combo. :/

[Shuruka]

regardless, now we know. and i tried testing it on the CPU this morning, could be that I was tired but i do not believe it works on them.

[Hella-Bright]

Well I can't wait to see thing get over with. And we can move on to the next round.

[Veysey]

So Wedge and Funky up next, eh? Looking forward to seeing how this turns out (and who everyone decides to use O_O)

Good luck you two!

[Bloodsword83]

regardless, now we know. and i tried testing it on the CPU this morning, could be that I was tired but i do not believe it works on them.
It's the same way you can't use the Wall Rush -> Delta Attack on the CPU. They can dodge way faster than human players.

[Wedge]

Fresh Brackets from the oven!
http://i47.tinypic.com/118f21v.jpg

[Veysey]

Nomnomnom!! Yummy!

Bloodsword, it's actually that the cpu can accurately dodge on the first possible frame. Humans can dodge wall rush to Delta as well, just not as consistently =/

[funkyman02]

So wait Wedge, we fight now? :O LIAR!

[Wedge]

So wait Wedge, we fight now? :O LIAR!

Wasn't my decision broseph. :P

[funkyman02]

Bah. Well when do you want this shit done bro?

[Wedge]

Bah. Well when do you want this shit done bro?

Soon I guess. Hop on IRC and we will discuss.

[Bloodsword83]

Nomnomnom!! Yummy!

Bloodsword, it's actually that the cpu can accurately dodge on the first possible frame. Humans can dodge wall rush to Delta as well, just not as consistently =/

Yeah, I know. Poor choice of words on my part.

[Veysey]

Congrats Yunoa on your win!

Seems you've taken the Kai scene by storm in this tournament! Enjoy your new title. Are we going to see you defend it in Bloody Howling? I sure hope so, you've put on one hell of a show in DNC!

[Yunoa]

Thank you very much Veysey.
It was and always will be a blast fighting Ehx.

[RDFMASTER]

yes Yunoa you won ;)

Congratulation :P

[SilvaKairi]

yay gj Yunoa

[ShineThatLight]

I am happy this tourny ended so well :]

[Dave880]

Thank you Wedge and Judah for running a great Kai tourney for the forums. Much appreciated ^-')b

[ShineThatLight]

Where are the titles? And Yunoa's golden trophy for his Userbar thing?