ATTN: Movie Night Participants [Archive]

Repliica

07-30-2010, 12:00 AM

This weeks movie night may be put on hold because of an important issue that has been brought up and that is related to legal issues. (I'm in a rush so sorry if I'm a bit vague) Now, we don't want anybody getting pinned for anything therefore I'd like to bring up that we don't want to do this and push legal boundries.

So for one, we need to know, can we do this safely and without getting into trouble?

Reb has stated that it should be fine if the person streaming owns the movie itself and if that's the case we'll have to withdraw some of the movie ideas put forward.

We should also be fine if we're not profiting from this, which we aren't. But please, discuss the issues of this before going ahead.

Again, sorry to be vague but I've really gotta run.. I think you guys get the jist of this though. ><; Sorry if you don't. D:

Rebellion

07-30-2010, 12:04 AM

Actually, I am not too sure about that now, since I don't know if people own legal rights to redistribute the movies... but to be honest, I'm not really sure. D:

rshadowkirby

07-30-2010, 12:59 AM

thank you rep for posting this

this weeks movie night will be on hold since i want to get to the bottom of this legal issue

if anyone has information in terms of copyright please pm it to me,

ZeRo_oVerLoaD

07-30-2010, 03:45 AM

What if a person has an Original DVD then upload it in a Media Streaming Site, then from there, we stream.:) Does it also subjected to legallity issues?

Ghurdrich

07-30-2010, 04:03 AM

That's probably more illegal, since now you're exposing it to the general public.

MoD

07-30-2010, 04:26 AM

That's probably more illegal, since now you're exposing it to the general public.

Not really it's okay if the movie was a 2 or 1 years old not like that they will care about losing money anymore....

Zane

07-30-2010, 05:17 AM

Not really it's okay if the movie was a 2 or 1 years old not like that they will care about losing money anymore....

Hmm IDK about I thought copyrights held for 50 years.

If the person could upload the movie to private place would that makes more okay, is that even possible?

Suppi

07-30-2010, 08:04 AM

Talked with Azazer. This is his consensus.

As long as the movie in question is physically owned by the streamer in question. The digital copy can be marked as a back up file and used to stream legally. At least he thinks so.

NexusNemesis

07-30-2010, 08:49 AM

imo, if the person streaming owns it = its legal, as long as no one else can permanently save it on their own computer.... but how to avoid that xD?.....

smilie

07-30-2010, 09:09 AM

imo, if the person streaming owns it = its legal, as long as no one else can permanently save it on their own computer.... but how to avoid that xD?.....

That would be another issue... :)

What I know is that, in sites like youtube, the newest music videos for example are uploaded by the producers themselves so I guess it is safe in a situation like this but I really don't know about owning an original copy and streaming it. :)

MoD

07-30-2010, 09:18 AM

i have been trying to find out if other people/forums have done this before but sadly i couldn't BUT i have found out that streaming a movie is like a streaming movie sites some of them are legal and some of them are not

of cores the legal sites have owned the original copy(and they make you pay to watch..)
but there are some other problems like maybe what if the movie is ban from some of the viewers country

but if you asked me i think it's legal cuz of the FFXIII streams after the game got release there have been a lot of streams but SE haven't done any thing about it cuz they the streamer owned the original copy of the game i know this deferent but still..

oh and we should do what Zane said and get a private room or something we don't want any starnger to come in and steal the moive

Repliica

07-30-2010, 10:28 AM

oh and we should do what Zane said and get a private room or something we don't want any starnger to come in and steal the moive

This. Definitely.

I'm pretty sure that as long as you own the movie it is fine. Also, ripping a dvd and uploading it to another site won't do, that's worse :P

I've just done a bit of research and here's the verdict I'm getting. It's illegal unless the movies are pretty old. However they can become legal in some cases.

1. Different laws are given out in different countries and this applies to copyright/streaming as well. So see if you guys can check out the laws in your area.

2. It can be made legal if you stream off certain websites/hosts. I don't know about this one.. I haven't looked much into it, nor does it really make sense to me but from what I've seen there are sites out there that stream legal movies.

3. Worse case scenario. We can't stream because of copyright.. D:

533787655464

07-30-2010, 12:00 PM

In Australia, we don't have rules. We do what we want :3

I suggest 2 girls 1 cup. Right, let's get the popcorn, ey?

The3p1cN3cr0p4th

07-30-2010, 03:33 PM

SteZiL... Anon has and is waging war on you Aussies for censorship... -_-

You have rules, Anon doesn't like them, Anon will break the rules.

God help whoever came up with the rules... :P

Repliica

07-30-2010, 09:00 PM

In Australia, we don't have rules. We do what we want :3

I suggest 2 girls 1 cup. Right, let's get the popcorn, ey?

Bullshit. As I was searching about Australia was one of the ones that were brought up in having tough Copyright rules. Sheesh, you guys banned Left 4 Dead II ... !! Can't handle. :P

And NO DEAL. GTFO. D:

The3p1cN3cr0p4th

07-30-2010, 09:08 PM

They banned Silent Hill: Homecoming too... Cheeky bastards...

533787655464

07-30-2010, 11:09 PM

Don't be hating Australia, you're just jealous because you aint here.

Repliica

07-31-2010, 01:00 AM

They banned Silent Hill: Homecoming too... Cheeky bastards...

...............
WUUUUUUUUUUUT!? SRSLY!?

I call BS right there! :z

and no stezil. You fail so much D:

MoD

07-31-2010, 01:12 AM

They even banned God of war to>_>

2. It can be made legal if you stream off certain websites/hosts. I don't know about this one.. I haven't looked much into it, nor does it really make sense to me but from what I've seen there are sites out there that stream legal movies.

as i said before there are a lot of site that stream movies they are legal of cores they have permission etc etc...
but those sites make you pay to watch movies but i believe you will be with other people in the same room which sucks...

rshadowkirby

07-31-2010, 01:13 AM

i agree with zanes idea and thats honestly what i was thinking but i didnt know if it was possible

if we can all agree to a private room where no one will interfere then perhaps its possible

(for the sake of safety i wish that we only stream movies that we own, yes it reduces our movie availbility but its safer that way just in case)

Repliica

07-31-2010, 01:18 AM

I agree with that also, so does Lion King sound good gaiz? :B

Haha, but seriously, it does sound safer if we stream what we own and have a private room to do so. Also, try not to go for the recent movies that have just been released (DVD speaking.. :P) this should add to the safety net :P

533787655464

07-31-2010, 01:50 AM

Let's watch that old movie.... Inception. Haven't seen it in ages.

Suppi

07-31-2010, 02:18 AM

Don't forget they banned A cup breasts and smaller from there porno under the pretense of simulated cp.
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I agree with that also, so does Lion King sound good gaiz? :B

Haha, but seriously, it does sound safer if we stream what we own and have a private room to do so. Also, try not to go for the recent movies that have just been released (DVD speaking.. :P) this should add to the safety net :P

*cough* Fate Unlimited Codes Movie *cough*

533787655464

07-31-2010, 02:49 AM

Ok, so Australia is a goody goody country.

Repliica

07-31-2010, 03:07 AM

You guys are. :x

And we're the land loving country. You could take over this country in a day but nobody would do that because there's not much here in the first place. :x

rshadowkirby

07-31-2010, 03:11 AM

since we are only streaming movies that people own, the volunteers for movie night become even more important since different people own different movies

ill also be trying to see if i can stream since i have some lulzy movies like

scary movie stuff, superhero movie, date movie
comedies pretty much

Zane

07-31-2010, 03:22 AM

533787655464

07-31-2010, 04:02 AM

You guys are. :x

And we're the land loving country. You could take over this country in a day but nobody would do that because there's not much here in the first place. :x

Because NZ sucks and Australia is much better. <3

NexusNemesis

07-31-2010, 05:01 AM

*streams FF7:AC /Last Order* :3......

SH4DOW H3RO

07-31-2010, 07:04 AM

Ehh the movies I own is...
Street Fighter the legend of chun li.
Rush Hour 2.
The Los-- oops nvm.
The Tuxedo.
FF7 Advent Children.
One Missed Called,
And maybe Boondocks Saints. (If I can find the DVD.)
Thats All I have for now.

The3p1cN3cr0p4th

07-31-2010, 07:08 AM

SteZiL. Where was LotR shot?

I thought so.

Where was The Last Samurai shot?

Exactly.

What is the most surreal place on Earth?

New Zealand....

Of course, New York City still kicks both Australia and New Zealand to the curb. Hell if it was NYC vs the rest of the world NYC would still come damn close to winning.

533787655464

07-31-2010, 07:23 AM

I think take the suggestions over to the original thread, I am pretty sure (If I am not mistaken) that this thread is for discussing the legal issues and such.
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SteZiL. Where was LotR shot?

I thought so.

Where was The Last Samurai shot?

Exactly.

What is the most surreal place on Earth?

New Zealand....

Of course, New York City still kicks both Australia and New Zealand to the curb. Hell if it was NYC vs the rest of the world NYC would still come damn close to winning.

America can go eat itself. It already eats everything else >.<

The3p1cN3cr0p4th

07-31-2010, 07:47 AM

Did I say America? I don't think I said America...

NYC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Everywhere else that isn't 80% of America>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Black Hole interiors>>>>>>>>>>>>80% of America

That's how it works : P
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Anyway, I've taken a look at the copyright laws and I think we're alright if people actually OWN the movies they show. Since my Dad's a movie nut we have all of what I listed over at the movie thread.

I'll go look for some private streaming programs/websites to use, and I'll get back to you guys asap.

Azazer

07-31-2010, 07:54 AM

http://www.helium.com/items/668387-is-online-video-streaming-a-form-of-piracy

^-- Clicky, clicky

Essentially you'd want to restrict the movies being streamed to Public Domain movies.

Suppi

07-31-2010, 08:09 AM

I am disappointed by the list of "movies" we have here.

Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Pink Panther (original series >:3)
-These are the only non anime non pirated movie/series I own that I have in my shelf right now :rolleyes:

Azazer

07-31-2010, 08:13 AM

But are they public domain? If the movie in question doesn't belong to that category, there is the risk of becoming legally liable for any actions taken against you (or any other participating individuals).

Stupid Aquarius

07-31-2010, 11:23 PM

Well here's a list of films which are in public domain (US).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_in_the_public_domain_in_the_United_S tates#A

Note how they're all early 20th century films lmao.

Repliica

07-31-2010, 11:35 PM

America can go eat itself. It already eats everything else >.<

icwutudidthar.

And we should totally watch The Last Samurai. That movie is full of win. :x

MoD

08-06-2010, 12:33 PM

yeahhh....so are we doing this or not?

btw i think the streamer should be the one to pick the movie he's the one that will have to do all the work after all!

The3p1cN3cr0p4th

08-06-2010, 02:37 PM

Well, I'll set up a test stream at 3 PM Singapore Time on July 7th. I'll just be showing a few random segments of some of the movies I have for about an hour.

I'll post the link here and you guys can choose to follow it at will.

ZeRo_oVerLoaD

08-06-2010, 04:52 PM

The3p1cN3cr0p4th

08-06-2010, 05:20 PM

....August.

My head's in a pretty weird place right now. I'll go sleep...

Nexus_Nocturnal

08-07-2010, 12:03 AM

If we agree on the Land Before Time I will join you in a heart beat.

The3p1cN3cr0p4th

08-07-2010, 02:58 AM

I'll need to find a copy on ebay or something but sure, I'll get a hold of it somehow.

Nexus_Nocturnal

08-07-2010, 03:22 AM

You can never be too old for a good children's movie.

The3p1cN3cr0p4th

08-07-2010, 03:28 AM

Nexus_Nocturnal

08-07-2010, 03:31 AM

Bring me back a cafe maid.

ZeRo_oVerLoaD

08-07-2010, 04:50 AM

@The3p1cN3cr0p4th:
So the test streaming is today at 3pm. SG time right? GMT +8?
I want to participate on this.

The3p1cN3cr0p4th

08-07-2010, 06:09 AM

It's not happening anymore dude, unforeseen circumstances on my part have put a wrench in that plan.

ZeRo_oVerLoaD

08-07-2010, 06:36 AM

It's not happening anymore dude, unforeseen circumstances on my part have put a wrench in that plan.
eouch! ok... some other time is fine. :)

on the side note: (off topic)
I'm going to SG this coming Sept. Let's meetup together with Haruhiist! ehehehe...
aww... let's talk on VM.:)

MoD

08-07-2010, 06:03 PM

Gawd....now we need to find another person to stream...again...
anyway Necro Thanks for volunteering and enjoy your time....

Bring me back a cafe maid.

Trust me hearing "Master master" all the time gets old and annoying >_>

Suppi

08-08-2010, 06:13 AM

Petrie was the coolest... Bird... Dinosaur... Beak... Thing ever.

Also guys, unfortunately due to unforeseen family stuff that's come up I can't do the test today. And since I'm going to Tokyo till the 12th that's moot point too.

Sorry 'bout that, I'll make it up sometime later...

I demand you to find one of these while you roam akihabara.

http://doujinsign.gensokyo.org/images/2008/06/080622b.jpg

(You probably won't but if you do get a picture of it :3 Not sure if they even went into production... story I heard was that it was custom made by someone once)

Of course you aren't obligated to give me anything :3 Just document your discovery of Touhou and all thing related.