Lance Combo questions

[Magus_Kali]

I know that it has an "absorb" property, but I've noticed it doesn't always happen.

Does it happen only while they're on the ground? Or does it also happen while they're above him?

Also, what's the range for that absorb?

Thanks.

[Zero_Ruzai]

It's more midair absorb than anything, but it's really an insignificant absorb. If anyone is that close to you on the ground, no point in lance combo, stick with rope knife. If theyre above you, lance combo prevails there but that's it basically. Compare to CoD. Picture Reel Axe as [Long Range], Rope knife as [0-form], and Lance combo as [anti-air]. Hope that helped

[Thiefcopy]

I've only noticed an absorb property when the opponent is in the air, I could be wrong though. Also, Rope Knife may be unblockable, but it's very easy to punish if you dodge it, I'd definitely still use Lance just to mix things up.

[Lustful Lali-Ho]

Well...since we practice together, you know the drill. Lance combo is absorbent if the opponent is just a few inches above you. I know since I tested it out an a slightly airborne Terra, Squall, and Shantotto. But sometimes if an opponent is coming towards you from right above you and you block then try to do Lance Combo, sometimes the push back from the block pushes them a little too much that they can't get sucked into the combo. Its all about distance.

[Crono]

It absorbs on both land and air. Be careful with Lance Combo as it can easily be blocked when someone is hovering above you (absorbs opponent then opponent blocks), so I really find it's usefulness a little meh but it's a great punishing tool so I still equip it along w/ Swordslash and Rope Knife.

[XandrosUltima]

It's more midair absorb than anything, but it's really an insignificant absorb. If anyone is that close to you on the ground, no point in lance combo, stick with rope knife.


What the hell? Do you know what a sh*tload of damage does it give with the fire arrow in the end (and a ATK set)??? For me ONLY the ending arrow does about 1260 damage against a 105 Maximum CPU! Rope Knife does the same amount with the whole combo...

[Zero_Ruzai]

Clearly you don't' get my point. Rope knife is a longer extension, and it's a shield crusher, adding the riposte effect if you have it (which all pro Firion users will), plus it forces the opponent into the air (or backwards) which you can counter with lance combo or reel axe. Reel axe also crushes guard. Lance combo is quick execution but short reach and can be blocked. That's where you're getting PMS for no reason, xandros. Primarily since ropeknife is a ground based attack, and Lance combo is an all-round closer range, anti-ground, anti-air attack. Perhaps you should try to understand posts first without cussing them out.

EDIT-My rope knife damage ends with a 2100 against max CPUs with my setup, but CPUs aren't the same as players, so it's a bad idea to compare damage with them.

[XandrosUltima]

Clearly you don't' get my point. Rope knife is a longer extension, and it's a shield crusher, adding the riposte effect if you have it (which all pro Firion users will), plus it forces the opponent into the air (or backwards) which you can counter with lance combo or reel axe. Reel axe also crushes guard. Lance combo is quick execution but short reach and can be blocked. That's where you're getting PMS for no reason, xandros. Primarily since ropeknife is a ground based attack, and Lance combo is an all-round closer range, anti-ground, anti-air attack. Perhaps you should try to understand posts first without cussing them out.

EDIT-My rope knife damage ends with a 2100 against max CPUs with my setup, but CPUs aren't the same as players, so it's a bad idea to compare damage with them.

I said only the arrow, the whole combo gives about 2700. And I am pretty owning with Lance Combo, so I'll stick with it.

[Zero_Ruzai]

And I said only the punch.

[Kite]

It absorbs anywhere but directly above. And although rope knife deals more damage than lance combo (which is great after a block and such) its very slow and extremely easy to punish (Squall can rough divide it for god sake). Lance comb on the other hand is decently fast and less punishable. Add in sword slash which is completely punishable and youre good.

[Zero_Ruzai]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-XPmTpqSa8
(Tidus is Max, vicious, etc...)
Comparing damage...

Sorry about the quality, it looks better on YT

[XandrosUltima]

How the hell did you get 1 HP without Soul of the Rotten? And how the hell did you get a so damn high booster??? o.O

[Zero_Ruzai]

Ensanguined Shield+Back to the Wall

normally I have a 51x booster, but for special setups, I have 34x for Champion belt and Dragonfly Orb.
Strong against Adversity
Summon Unused
Near Death
Near Loss
HP=1
Victory Chance (opponent)
Large Gap in HP

That's the setup I do with a lot of speed characters when I mess around.

[XandrosUltima]

Holy crap... Never thought of that... Thx :D

[Zero_Ruzai]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBajNSdWXqg

here's another. Keep in mind I don't do any matches that the opponent isn't Max and vicious. and 105

[Magus_Kali]

Wow I never thought I'd get so many responses, thanks guys.

As for my reasons for Lance Combo, I find it to be a great way to interrupt the opponent's attacks or if they forward dodge over my rope knife I can hit them in the air while they're above me. If you add Riposte into the mix, that's a lot of damage.

It's been working for me, so for now I'll be using that. I'll post a replay or two to show you guys how I've been doing with it.