1-HP EX Build(Not the best in the world)

[Named]

Ok,so I came across this vid on Youtube and saw this build but I modified it to make it better.

NOT THE BEST IN THE WORLD,I'm not sure if you guys had seen 1-HP EX builds before,but here goes:

Cat Nip,Back to the Wall,Bravery Regen(First two for 100% criticals,Bravery Regen to make sure you don't regen HP)

Any Equipment+Ensanguined Shield

Accesories:

Pearl Necklace
Gold Hourglass
HP=1(Player)
Near Death(Player)
Near Loss(Player)
Large Gap in HP
Summon Unused(Player)
Pre-HP Attack(Player)
Strong Against Adversity
Back to the Wall

It's similar to the 1-HP Iai strike build.So you basically hit the opponent(Be careful,the dude may block>HP attack) and your EX Gauge completely fills up.I used it with Bartz and performed Storm Shot and my EX Gauge completely filled up.

That's basically it.

[533787655464]

I would've rathered Hp Regen, because after the initial EX mode, you are going to want to increase your HP

[Scott]

It's an incredibly inefficient gimmick, as getting Ex-force is super easy for anyone.

[Named]

I would've rathered Hp Regen, because after the initial EX mode, you are going to want to increase your HP

Yeah,you're going to want to get some HP but when it increases,the Back to the Wall and Cat Nip will gradually go away,that means less crits,and the build is to rake up 9999 BRV,then Goblin Punch to finish him/her/it off.

At Scott:Yeah but this instantly fills up the EX Gauge and I bet that it's faster than any ways to get EX Force(Except equipping an Arcane Resin).

[533787655464]

Yeah,you're going to want to get some HP but when it increases,the Back to the Wall and Cat Nip will gradually go away,that means less crits,and the build is to rake up 9999 BRV,then Goblin Punch to finish him/her/it off.

At Scott:Yeah but this instantly fills up the EX Gauge and I bet that it's faster than any ways to get EX Force(Except equipping an Arcane Resin).

A good EX build is better than this build in every way.

[Scott]

The price of suffering from what could be a 1 hit kill doesn't justify it. My Onion Knight can fill his bar entirely from 1 combo, and he gets full HP.

My Kefka can fill his bar entirely with 1 Ex-Core, which appear a lot with my Kefka, and he gets full HP.

[533787655464]

This thread

FATALITY

[Named]

Ok.Thanks for the advice.Didn't know Onion Knight could fill 1 bar in a combo.Anyways,still thanks for the advice!

[533787655464]

Almost everyone can, if you set yourself up right.

[Scott]

Onion Knight needs a much lower multiplier than other characters, I find. When I'm in Ex-Mode, I don't even need a full combo to refill, just 1 hit.

My Terra gets completely refilled by a dodge in Chase.

[Cookies]

Named, why don't you just make one thread and post all your builds there?

[533787655464]

Or just post the builds in the build threads provided >.>

[flipclips]

i actually would recommend an lai strike 1 hp build so u dont die in 1 hit.... ex accumulation is wasted if u wont ever last till it fills completely. characters like zidane will free energy you till you lose. so this build is pointless. i have 1 like this 4 my sephiroth so i can orb spam my way 2 victory it also has a x99% effect for some reason XD that means its a 50/50 build if i break u w/ every hit.

[Cookies]

Or just post the builds in the build threads provided >.>

^.^ <.< >.> I agree...

[Zero_Ruzai]

Named, I think you came across my vids since mine are the only ones I really saw on Youtube that do this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL20inxjWKw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlUnxSLmfns

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-XPmTpqSa8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBajNSdWXqg

Yeah... and I'll just let you know, they don't work all that great against like humans. They're CPU killers though (all enemies are Max, lvl 105, Vicious), I like Ultimecia personally since I can get a 51x multiplier on her and have perma-Iai strike (no matter what attack, amazing?), but they're not always full-proof. The best, imo, is Terra's, since she can keep opponents afar with her barrages of chain casting (plus she can glide! hell yeah). Use at your disgression, I HAVE gone all the way through IC with 1 HP the entire only dying twice (that's literally about 20 times better than I did on my first runthrough), even though I can probably make it through with regular equips without dying at all. Have fun with it.

@Stezil, you can't use HP regen since you'll lost your bonus from Strong against adversity. it'll go from 3x to .5x, making you go from like a 34x bonus to 4x.

EDIT-it's also better if you just use Dragonfly orb, opposed to pearl necklace, and add a gaia ring/ belt/earring in there for damage. You don't need that much of a multiplier, 22.7x will still get you EX mode for basically the entire match, especially if you add more damage to your hits.

[TKG09]

Gold Hourglass is really bad for 3 reasons:


1-EX Is already endless with this build
2- Its a waste of a slot
3- It doesnt let u EXG


and how are u gonna get the EX Force without a gravitorb?

[Zero_Ruzai]

Why would you want more slots whenever you have everything you need already? Gold hour glass allows you room to stay away and attack from there, that way you can have room to be a long ways away. You can't rely on constant brv attacks cuz once the opponent block, you're screwed. 34x booster is excessive, really anything 20+ is perfect, so add damage, a way to get EX up, and ways to keep EX there, and you're setup is great, so long as you don't get hit.

[TKG09]

because of the EXGs

[Zero_Ruzai]

You're too obsessed with EXguards, that's not what you always do. It comes in handy, the damage boost+perma-EX makes you pretty damn hard to hit anyway, especially with someone with a pure defensive attack set like CoD. Other than that, just take it easy and counterattack. Obviously this isn't a set you're going to be using online.

[TKG09]

No. An EXG saves you from an attack that would have killed you. in a build like that its VERY IMPORTANT

[Zero_Ruzai]

Refer to my vids, you'll find that different setups effect different people. Squall for example NEEDS exguards, Terra on the other hand does much better just to be in perma EX that way she can land Godly spells from afar. Same with Jecht. It all depends on who you are talking about.

[TKG09]

whats so great about being in EX if ur not doing anything anyway?


and even when very few EX force is generated, ur EX can be endless

[Zero_Ruzai]

You can't be hasty on attacks or else you'll just get guarded and killed. It's "not doing nothing" it's being cautious.

And you don't need 34x multiplier tto have nigh-endless EX. Have you ever even used this setup before? It reeeeally doesn't sound like it.

[TKG09]

im not telling you to spam ur attacks. and i still see no point in being in EX if ur being catious. In fact no hourglass for being catious is EVEN BETTER because when u do get hit, u have EXG.

[Zero_Ruzai]

Being cautious means you don't get hit, and you use EX attacks one you're at a decent range and at vantage points where they can't retaliate.

[TKG09]

Being catious doesnt mean not getting hit, nowhere NEAR it. It just means ur gonna get hit less. Besides, better safe than sorry amirite?

[Zero_Ruzai]

I can go 50 matches in a row with Jecht in EX mode the entire time and not die to a max vicious 105 cpu, you have to really play like crap to get hit that much unless you're playing against firion, wol, exdeath or cod. Their counters are a pain, but other than that, cpus are easy to take down without getting hit. If you use this online (which probably won't happen), that's the only time you may be exg happy, but no1 is going to use this setup online, hence why we're only referring to cpus.

[Hella-Bright]

Omni, fighting a CPU jecht doesn't mean anything, and people DO use these sets online Omni. They are very few and farrrr between but people DO use these sets.

[Zero_Ruzai]

note the rarity. I'm not disregarding ex guards, I'm just saying that they're not always better than the benefits that you can get in ex mode. And I never said there weren't people online like that, it's just not common.

[TKG09]

oh and i almost forgot.............





HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU GONNA GET THE EX FORCE WITHOUT INTAKE RANGE AND A CLOSE TO YOU

[Hella-Bright]

Yeah... thats probably something to... use...

[Zero_Ruzai]

like I said, use dragonfly orb, or just jump into it, you don't have to have intake range accessories, you can just jump into it and collect it. Close to you would hinder this set soooo much since bonus accessories don't effect special accessories. The only thing good about close to you is the +2m it gives, the +20% ex core/force absortion is nothing compared to the +500% ex core absortion from dragonfly orb+all bonus accessories, or the +500% from pearl necklace+bonus accessories (assuming it's 22.7% accessory bonus.)

[TKG09]

*facepalm*


Dragonfly orb has nothing to do with the force, its the core.


You cant simply jump into the EX Force, first because that would take forever second because ur EX wont be dynamic or endless.


And thats a center of the world. close to you is the one that allows u to gather EX while attacking, taking damage and summoning

[Zero_Ruzai]

Mmm... well I don't have my game on me at the moment, plus I don't ever use special accessories except back to the wall and the chocobo items. Why would you want an accessory like that if you can just jump once and get a full amount? You made a huge deal about wasting a slot space, and that's an even bigger waste imo

I'm aware that dragonfly orb is ex core because that's what I use, gives me full ex guage immediately, and if you're worried about endless ex mode, use gold hourglass

[Hella-Bright]

Bigger EX intake range would get rid of the chance for the opponent to take EX force or atleast a smaller ammount. And not having Close to You equipted would be a bad idea aswell since if you didn't your opponent would gain all of the EX force while you are being damaged. You see where I'm going with this?

[Zero_Ruzai]

No, because I actually use these 1 hp setups all the time, including IC and BJ course, and I never have problems with everything that you two are mentioning, and the thing is, if you're getting attacked, most likely you're about to die unless you're about to EX guard. But how can you EX guard without having EX? You collect ex by attacking first, but what if your opponent blocks your brv attack? You're screwed. You can block your opponent's but what if you miss the block, or try to block an hp attack? What if they counter your HP attack? collecting ex force in the first place is too risky with 1 hp. Stick with collecting ex cores via dragonfly orb.

[Hella-Bright]

More often then not in an online match Brv attacks are previlant. "and the thing is, if you're getting attacked, most likely you're about to die unless you're about to EX guard." Only computers spam HP attacks when someone is down to 1 hp, or really really new players.

Close to You is for those occations that you would need the abiltiy to get EX force in every occation. I don't see where YOUR getting at when you should want to have every chance to get EX Force. Not from just attacking, thats not very efficiant, IMO.

And even with the dragon fly orb you still have a chance on NOT getting the Orb

[TKG09]

How is a gravitorb a waste? As Hella-Bright said it will allow you to gather much more EX Force and much fater. But thats not what it is about. The thing is, IN A FIGHT WHERE BOTH PLAYERS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THEIR INTAKE RANGE AS HIGH AS POSSIBLE, THE PLAYER WITH LOWER RANGE WILL GET BARELY ANY EX FORCE, AND PEOPLE WILL TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY

[Zero_Ruzai]

You're going off of theory, and theory doesn't win fights. If you have to get that close to the opponent without anything to back off your 1hp, that's basically death, all they need is a block/counterattack to finish you. Take Squall for example, you go in to attack squall and you attack with... say Grand Lethal, miss and he counters with Fated Circle, what's going to save you? Or you can just jump around at a distance, dashing randomly, waiting for the opportunity to get a core, you see it grab it, and bam, you have full ex guage without risking anything.

This thing is, you're so sure that YOU are right, that you ARE only considering what you come up with, and NOT what others are throwing out there. Other people can be RIGHT sometimes too you know? give it some consideration. It's playing it safer which is what you need in a situation where you only have 1hp

[TKG09]

except people can get to the core before you do, HP you without countering you, and when ur going for the core, they can block ur dash

[flipclips]

^^^^ this build fails, u cant gather ex, youll die in 1 hit, your giving your opponent a free victory, u cant perfect people all the time, and your builds wasted against a normal EX build considering you dont have intake. :/

[TKG09]

^^^^ This.

[533787655464]

Only GOOD thing I see with this build is basically exactly the same as using a Arcane Resin and a Back-To-The-Wall. Because after first Ex-Change, you are going to want to finish the battle quickly, because every second you get closer and closer to being hit with a HP attack. And once that happens, you are down.

[Hella-Bright]

You're going off of theory, and theory doesn't win fights. If you have to get that close to the opponent without anything to back off your 1hp, that's basically death, all they need is a block/counterattack to finish you. Take Squall for example, you go in to attack squall and you attack with... say Grand Lethal, miss and he counters with Fated Circle, what's going to save you? Or you can just jump around at a distance, dashing randomly, waiting for the opportunity to get a core, you see it grab it, and bam, you have full ex guage without risking anything.

This thing is, you're so sure that YOU are right, that you ARE only considering what you come up with, and NOT what others are throwing out there. Other people can be RIGHT sometimes too you know? give it some consideration. It's playing it safer which is what you need in a situation where you only have 1hp

So, your saying the someone who probably has been playing this game longer then you is going off of Theory? I don't see any sence in that.

And also "you can just jump around at a distance, dashing randomly" doesn't win fights either, when you are fighting someone and you use this build you have no choice but to attack or you fall prey to SnL. We HAVE concidered your opinions but you have to assume that the person your fighting ISN'T a CPU. I mean sure, if this is just a build for CPU fights then whatever, I don't care, you can get any EX core you want when fighting a CPU but a Human player WON'T LET YOU GET THE CORE!

[Zero_Ruzai]

That's why you have a build with higher LUK, and you use attacks like jecht block, dayflash, blizzard combo, etc. that doesn't give you any distance and takes up hardly any time at all. Stay at a distance, wait for the core.

Playtime hardly has anything to do with it. For all I know, you could've accidently left your psp on a week with dissidia in it while plugged in.

[flipclips]

try jecht blocking free energy in time ^^^^^

[Zero_Ruzai]

Jecht block=anti-SnL, sure as hell not free energy

[Hella-Bright]

I'm saying battle expierence Omni, not play time.

[flipclips]

whatever the case bring this build online & see who reaches EX Mode 1st XD

[Hella-Bright]

FFFFF who knows...

[Zero_Ruzai]

not sure how much battle time you have either but does it reallly matter... how bout we just believe differently, rather than arguing about trying make the other think the same thing. Imagine we're running a computer company, and all of us are making monitors (as in, we're all thinking the same thing), who's going to make the CPU, etc?

[flipclips]

lol this builds pointless online -_-" genjis missing the point, this build has absorption and no intake so your going into a battle w/ 1 hp for no reason.

[Zero_Ruzai]

I'm missing the point? when I play with this build every fucking day? You don't need the ex force if all you're using is the core, morons. The point of the 1 hp is higher damage+higher ex gain (which you can gain by force OR core, it doesn't fucking matter), so whenever you actualy TRY a build like this let me know, because I KNOW for a fact that I have about 30 hours or so of battle time with these kinds of setups.

[TKG09]

I'm missing the point? when I play with this build every fucking day? You don't need the ex force if all you're using is the core, morons. The point of the 1 hp is higher damage+higher ex gain (which you can gain by force OR core, it doesn't fucking matter), so whenever you actualy TRY a build like this let me know, because I KNOW for a fact that I have about 30 hours or so of battle time with these kinds of setups.

First of all its all against CPUs. Second IT IS POSSIBLE TO FILL HOLE EX WITH ONECORE WITHOUT HAVING TO BE AT 1 HP

[Zero_Ruzai]

That's why the surplus slots go to damage, it'd be widely stupid just to get a 51x multiplier just for ex core or force, you need damage percentage added in as well

[Lycoris]

Omni. Do that online. I'll just make sure you get blocked all day long. Oh wait. You have 1 HP. 1 Block and you're done. Nevermind. Less trouble for me.

You get the fact that Critical HP builds are so absolutely useless right? Sure they're great but in an actual match, people will easily turtle you and 1-hit you. It's too easy.

[Zero_Ruzai]

im not the one who made this thread, and im the one with the ex core idea, not the ex force. i can get ex core then just exc, whereas getting the force involves actually getting close to fight, which ends up being fatal.

I was the one suggesting NOT to use this setup online.

[TKG09]

except EXCs generally banned online. And even if it wasnt, 1 hit wont kill anyone, even with the burst. Plus they can EXC ur EXC

[Zero_Ruzai]

how can they exc your exc when they have no force/core to collect since you're the only one doing that. contradiciton. and ive noticed they get banned, then you can just take advantage of an exb and use ex-mode benefits from there. If you decided to use this online

[ShineThatLight]

See, anything you say can be applied to a normal core build as well.. so why not just use a normal core build? Unless you do something special with 1-hp builds, then they are just an unnecessary risk

[TKG09]

1-they have intake range
2-they can get to the cor before you
3- they can refuse to attack until they have full EX

[Zero_Ruzai]

you can do all of those as well.
You could actually throw in a heaven's cloud, have a dragonfly orb, pearl necklace, close to you, champion belt (or earrings/gaia ring), and gold hourglass and still have a 11x multiplier. Or you can take out the hourglass for 15x

[TKG09]

Or remove the champion belt since you dont really need it

[Zero_Ruzai]

without added damage also kind of defeats the point of 1 hp, since you're going for more of an atk build than def, having exb as your line of defense, and everything else for attack. if you were going for a defense build, obviously you would have more hp as well

[TKG09]

Im just saying you dont exactly need it. Of course if you want one you should go for it, im just poiting out a possibility

[Zero_Ruzai]

Yeah, the bonus accessory count will give you anywhere from 3-5 more times what it wouldve, it may not actually be a bad idea to go with like 4 different accessories tho

[flipclips]

catnip and back to the wall is wut u need. so as tkg said u dont need champions belt equip gravitorb

[Zero_Ruzai]

or add more damage and have heaven's cloud instead?