Garland Builds

[Dragon Lancet]

Quick question about your build, why Earthbreaker over Gigant Axe? The 70 ATK is pretty sexy and much more worth your while than the +20% HP Wall Rush Damage. You'll likely be doing more damage with a Gigant Axe than an Earthbreaker. Otherwise everything (and the suggestions above) looks good.

If some one is using earthbreaker, it should be for a wall rush HP damage set, but it's true, if you want damage, go for giant axe

[gadget_lova]

For weapon, I use gungnir because my build is wall rush BRV + Assist.. It just work so good, one ground assist combo with kuja can deal +- 1500 damage...

I haven't try to use gigant axe again though, because I don't need its ability and I equipped side by side which will make its ability obsolete..

[Vamper62]

Moderator Note: Could we rename this thread "Garland Builds" since we don't have one yet and this thread seems to be sparking some good talk for it.

Here is a build I've been rockin' PvP with recently. It works amazingly well and Garlands EX Revenge using this is very scary (Often can end a match immediately!). The most important thing to remember using this build is to try and stick to Highbringer(short), Round Edge (delay), and Twist Drill for building EX (and he is fairly slow, making him not the best at reaching Cores fast, especially in certain PvP matchups). Moves like Thundaga and Bardiche, however, produce 0 EX which means spamming these wont yield EX Revenge quickly.



Action Abilities:
- Ground Evasion
- Midair Evasion
- Ground Block
- Midair Block
- Controlled Recovery
- Wall Jump
- Free Air Dash
- Omni Ground Dash +
- Free Air Dash Boost
- Assist Gauge Dash Boost
- Evasion Boost

Support Abilities:
- Always Target Indicator
- EX Core Lock On
- Assist Lock On
- Auto Recovery

Extra Abilities:
- Achy +
- Counterattack
- Sneak Attack
- Back to the Wall
- Assist Critical Boost
- Disable Counterattack
- EXP to HP
- Master Guardsman

Notes: Depending on the matchup, I might switch in Dragonfly Orb or Dismay Shock in place of Booster. The reason I use Pre-EX Mode is that it provides a better booster than Pre-EX Revenge and I'm less likely to use EX Mode (except for emptying the opponents Assist Gauge) than EX-Revenge. I don't use GEB and MEB because Garland's attacks often have a small enough attack radius (especially Highbringer and Bardiche) where using them may cause problems in dodge and counter situations. The reason I use Sephiroth over Kuja is mostly personal preference and straying from the pack... a little (and his ground BRV is a little faster and easier to connect with).

[Shockbomb]

I like the Kuja assist idea, but I got Laguna as an assist to work, Bardiche or Lance Charge to wall rush them into the ground, then Laguna assist with Machine Gun, and your opponent is wide open for Tsunami or Flare.

[Accention]

Its kind of a short question but is it possible to get

40-50% Hp wall rush and

50% Bravery wall rush ( like in DFF without changing the rules off of official)

in the same build or would I have to pick 1 or the other?

Side question is achy/achy+ a good crit booster for garland?

[Vamper62]

Its kind of a short question but is it possible to get

40-50% Hp wall rush and

50% Bravery wall rush ( like in DFF without changing the rules off of official)

in the same build or would I have to pick 1 or the other?

Side question is achy/achy+ a good crit booster for garland?

You really dont need to get higher HP wall rush damage, but the accessory called Booster provides a boostable +40% Wall Rush BRV Damage increase and is pretty useful. If you really want HP Wall Rush increase, using Sniper's Soul gives boostable +10% HP Wall Rush Damage increase. I honestly don't think you will need it however.

Achy/Achy+ isnt a crit booster, but it makes you able to get assist charges because of critical HP at higher HP levels. It also makes Back to the Wall effective and is generally a staple ability for any character regardless because of the assist charge benefits.

[ChaosMuramasa]

Its kind of a short question but is it possible to get

40-50% Hp wall rush and

50% Bravery wall rush ( like in DFF without changing the rules off of official)

Netting 40% to 50% HP Wallrush Boost will get you 160% to 200% BRV Wall Rush Boost considering you need a 4x - 5x multiplier to achieve the HP Wallrush and since the only BRV Wallrush Boost accessory is 40%. The easiest way to go about it is probably;

-Summon Unused or Used (Self) (1.3x)
-Summon Unused or Used (Opponent) (1.3x)
-Pre-EX Mode (1.4x)
-Pre-EX Revenge (1.3x)
-BRV > Base Value (1.3x)

This nets you a 3.999x multiplier, which the game would round up to exactly 4.0x, resulting +40% Wall Rush HP DMG with Sniper Eye and +160% Wall Rush BRV DMG with Booster.

As Vamper said, though, Sniper Eye's Wall Rush HP damage boost isn't that great since (to my understanding) the game applies the bonus to the Wall Rush itself. That being said, if you have a 10% Wall Rush HP boost and you do 1000 damage and get a Wall Rush for 250, the 10% boost doesn't come off of the HP hit (1000), it comes off of the Wall Rush hit (250). So, your Wall Rush wouldn't be 350 (10% of 1000 = 100 + 250 = 350) , it would be 275 (10% of 250 = 25 + 250 = 275).

I'm pretty sure this is the way the game functions considering how I had a 6.4x multiplier on my Jecht with Sniper Eye, giving me a 64% Wall Rush HP bonus, and after I landed a hit of around 1180~1190, my Wall Rush was only around 320. If the 64% came directly off of the 1180~1190, my Wall Rush should've had an extra 650~800 damage.

That being said, instead of Sniper Eye and Booster, you'd probably accomplish much more with Garland by using Muscle Belt and Booster.

[ProjectTitan313]

Mines an EX Force build. Garland's EX mode is pretty beast.
I don't have those pics with the equip and stuff so bear with me...

I run the Gigant Axe, as the Force Absorption is the main point of the setup. Plus, boosting wall rush damage doesn't seem to help, as I always do 10% regardless of equipment. I play with rules set to "Off", so that's probably why.

Blurry Moon, for the ATK+1 effect. 5% BRV boost on Block is negligible.
Grand Helm.
Maximillian.

I don't have the full Genji set. Just the armor from a random drop. Otherwise, I'd probably run it.
Accessories, just a Pearl Necklace, Muscle Belt, Center Of The World, Close to You, and some boosters.

His Indomitable Resolve ability is absolutely epic, as it means a full offense is virtually unstoppable. Characters that use BRV -> HP combos (Golbez and Firion in particular) are pretty much screwed, as HP attacks are the only thing stopping you in EX mode. Even then, you can plow through things like Lord of Arms and Comet before the HP damage hits, assuming you start your attack first. Flare and Tsunami are the best way to get an EX Burst when the gauge is running low.
EX Revenge seems like a waste when you've got an ability like that.

Abilities, just Counterattack and EX Crit boost. Nothing special really. I use the same moves on ground/air as pretty much every post here. Though I'm not a fan of Cyclone. It just dies against pretty much any HP attack, and the range, speed, and homing suck. I seriously use it for a magic block/possible trap move with Flare. The rest of his moves, I can't complain.

[Vamper62]

Mines an EX Force build. Garland's EX mode is pretty beast.
I don't have those pics with the equip and stuff so bear with me...

I run the Gigant Axe, as the Force Absorption is the main point of the setup. Plus, boosting wall rush damage doesn't seem to help, as I always do 10% regardless of equipment. I play with rules set to "Off", so that's probably why.

Blurry Moon, for the ATK+1 effect. 5% BRV boost on Block is negligible.
Grand Helm.
Maximillian.

I don't have the full Genji set. Just the armor from a random drop. Otherwise, I'd probably run it.
Accessories, just a Pearl Necklace, Muscle Belt, Center Of The World, Close to You, and some boosters.

His Indomitable Resolve ability is absolutely epic, as it means a full offense is virtually unstoppable. Characters that use BRV -> HP combos (Golbez and Firion in particular) are pretty much screwed, as HP attacks are the only thing stopping you in EX mode. Even then, you can plow through things like Lord of Arms and Comet before the HP damage hits, assuming you start your attack first. Flare and Tsunami are the best way to get an EX Burst when the gauge is running low.
EX Revenge seems like a waste when you've got an ability like that.

Abilities, just Counterattack and EX Crit boost. Nothing special really. I use the same moves on ground/air as pretty much every post here. Though I'm not a fan of Cyclone. It just dies against pretty much any HP attack, and the range, speed, and homing suck. I seriously use it for a magic block/possible trap move with Flare. The rest of his moves, I can't complain.

Running no assists on Garland is very very bad idea. Garland is very versatile character with both exceptional Assist and EX options. He has Thundaga to build assists and his EX Revenge combos are just plain deadly (with KoT, Bardiche ~x6 + Flare = crazy). EX Revenge will net you over 8x as much damage as EX Mode, almost always over 3000 damage in total (as Garland has the best EX Revenge in the game because of Bardiche). EX Crit booster is worthless as it is one of the more expensive extra abilities, it isnt on all the time, and Sneak Attack works very well on Garland in conjunction with CA. Also relying on EX Mode on Garland is a bad idea since his speed is one of the worst. If you use a build that drops assists for EX on Garland, the opponent is just going to run away the whole time because they have nothing to worry about in terms of building assists on whiffs.

Also, Cyclone is a pressure tool. It is not an offensive HP attack and should be used to hit opponents who make mistakes. I'd find it wise not to drop it.

[ProjectTitan313]

Running no assists on Garland is very very bad idea. Garland is very versatile character with both exceptional Assist and EX options. He has Thundaga to build assists and his EX Revenge combos are just plain deadly (with KoT, Bardiche ~x6 + Flare = crazy). EX Revenge will net you over 8x as much damage as EX Mode, almost always over 3000 damage in total (as Garland has the best EX Revenge in the game because of Bardiche). EX Crit booster is worthless as it is one of the more expensive extra abilities, it isnt on all the time, and Sneak Attack works very well on Garland in conjunction with CA. Also relying on EX Mode on Garland is a bad idea since his speed is one of the worst. If you use a build that drops assists for EX on Garland, the opponent is just going to run away the whole time because they have nothing to worry about in terms of building assists on whiffs.

Also, Cyclone is a pressure tool. It is not an offensive HP attack and should be used to hit opponents who make mistakes. I'd find it wise not to drop it.

To be honest, I've rarely use Assists on anyone, aside from Kain that is. I've only got one human player to fight (long story, but Ad-Hoc Party doesn't work. Its a technical thing on my part) and if I use an assist its bunch of "butt buddy spammer" because he doesn't like assists. Me, I don't have an issue with it. They can be very effective.

I do see your point with EX Revenge, and I might actually give that a try. Though, I don't have that equipment set everyone seems to use to improve the Revenge damage, so I'm not going to have as stellar of a damage level. Still, I won't dismiss it just because I'm under prepared. I'm usually relentlessly bored, so trying a new strategy could brighten the day...
Its just that from what I've seen, EX enhancing accessories put a big damper on Assists and vice versa, so I prefer to specialize. A good mix of Revenge and Assist could be workable...

And I just want to mention, I'm not trying to argue. I can tell that you have a lot more experience with him than I do: he's someone I use only on occasion and that's just a quickly made setup I use. I do thank you for the constructive criticism. Most people just call me an idiot for using something different. You however, gave advice that I'm willing to try