Much much better Shiro. You took a lot of my advice from a while back, and it shows. You are much less dodgy (and I'm very glad you worked on that, because it really helped you a lot here). You got a little flustered about halfway through and kept running into Blasting Zone from charged GS (SW) and Infernos. Be a little more careful on using those when you realize the opponent has figured you out a bit. Sometimes you might need to mix it up later in the match so the opponent doesn't counter you (like Galadin did many times with Blasting Zone here). When you see someone doing something like this, be sure to get in closer before attacking (that way you can avoid getting caught in the attack and have the opportunity to dodge).
You also messed up on the timings of the Jecht assist combos, usually from not being close enough to the opponent, but that can be easily fixed with practice (and I figure it was mostly just some rust showing there). On the bright side, you succeeded in Assist Punishes (and they made me very happy). I also very much enjoyed all those Spear counters, they were well placed and effective (very sexy). I normally would question Spears use in this MU, but you made very good use of it. So like I told you before, use what you feel works best for you, not what others tell you to use (in terms of moves that is).
Not much else to say really, you have improved considerably, so keep up the good work!
Mains: Garland | Vaan | GabranthSpoiler:
Thank you senpai! Altough I got rusty again since the past few days I've been focusing way too much on my sub Cloud...and almost forget how to play Vaan when I picked againfinally knew the reason why I performed so badly in the tournament as well.
Anyway...I'll focus on playing more Vaan and less subs since I'm out of shape w/ him >.<
So w/o anymore babling from my side...here's a match I had w/ DanneD's Tifa. Pretty close match my opinion.
DDFF: Zidane Tribal || BB: Ragna the Bloodedge
There are people in this world who prefer solitude. But there is no one who can withstand it.
And another battle I had 2 days ago against Dj's Zidane.
PS: I forgot to save the replay battle so I asked from Dj to send it to me :3
DDFF: Zidane Tribal || BB: Ragna the Bloodedge
There are people in this world who prefer solitude. But there is no one who can withstand it.
It's been a LONG time ago since I last uploaded my AHP battles so time to revive this ol' thread of mine.
Here's one of the matches I had against Herman's Squall the other day.
DDFF: Zidane Tribal || BB: Ragna the Bloodedge
There are people in this world who prefer solitude. But there is no one who can withstand it.
Recently gone back to my main from DFFLxD ur the one to blame >.>Cloud and decided to train that old rusty Cloud of mine with DanneD
This is my ONLY win from the many matches I had against DanneD's Tifa and any other charas he used. Any advices and constructive criticism is appreciated <:3
DDFF: Zidane Tribal || BB: Ragna the Bloodedge
There are people in this world who prefer solitude. But there is no one who can withstand it.
0:26 - Assist punish with Aerith is a very strict thing, it works on long moves like Zidane's Shift Break and Lightning's Thunder Fall if you punish on startup. Although, it won't work well against some other moves like you experienced there. :3
0:33 - Miss click Braver amirite? Surprised DanneD took the damage here. :3
0:52 - Equip Controlled Recovery (and Attack recovery too) so you can actually move after being hit or counter attack if your opponent want to make pressure on your "wake up". Recovering in place can be bad sometimes.
1:08 - That was right and yet wrong. Wrong because using Omnislash V5 when your opponent has assist bar can be pretty bad for you. Most of the times, you'll get punished like this.
Right because DanneD had two bars. You can only punish this move when doing Assist Change LV1 (except when you're Sephiroth, Squall etc) and some people will use LV2 instead because that way, they won't get locked. In the end, you can vanish their assist bar without being punished.
Although, smart players, like Danny there, will lock themselves even with 2 bars only to punish you. That's either good or bad. If you're confident enough or your foe's BVR isn't that high to do a decent punish, go for it and try to make them pay while they're locked.
1:16 - Dafuq? Watch those Bravers. It's even worst with Tifa, since she can double dodge and avoid dodge punishes. That's what your trying to do right? Or you're just gambling? lol
2:18 - You may know this, but you were very lucky here heh? :3
Double Cut + Aerith + Chase doesn't work without a wall to hold your opponents fall. Tifa barely touched the wall there and fortunately you could connect Seal Evil.
I suggest you do the following: Double Cut >> Second Hit >> Wait a little time >> Aerith >> Chase as she appears >> HP Attack.
It won't fail this way. Me and Zel practiced that a lot and it's possible to freeze your opponent after they dodge the HP. That way, you can go for a safe Meteorain/Braver or Omnislash V5. You can also use BVR attacks on the chase if your foe is near a wall for more damage/EX (Like DanneD did on 3:37).
Also, when you connect Seal Evil, do some dash to build extra bar before you finish the combo. You just did a Omnislash V5 there.
2:57 - I know that feel bro. lol
Once your foe falls, he can fuck your inputs since he's going backwards and flippin' and shit.
3:12 - 47F on startup. Really hard to punish something after Assist Change LV1 using this. It's possible against some moves though.
3:57 - Finishing Touch is a much safer link than Omnislash V5. It's safe to use in most MUs even if your opponent has assist bars.
Although, Tifa is not one of them. Rolling Blaze can punish fairly well if Cloud has Assist Lock On equipped (He will spin in the same place and then she can charge and get to him).
Most Clouds (including mine) has this ability and you can see that DanneD was ready for it. He even started the Rollin'.
The fact that you wasn't using that ability gave you the victory. :33
Now two things to know.
First, Double Cut on ground. I can't play Cloud without it really. I feel very slow.
It's really useful for assist building, it's fast, you can do the Planet Protector thing with Aerith, link to Cross Slash when timed right etc.
I suggest you to put in and take out either Sonic Break or Climhazzard.
The other thing, becareful with Double Cut pokes. Sure, it's his strongest tool in the air and you can block right away. The sad part is the movement, Cloud will slightly move forward and has high chances to receive incoming attacks (you were hit sometimes because of that there). It's hard to explain but one good example is the Cloud-Lightning match up. You CAN'T throw DCs somewhere near her or you'll get Thunder in the face.
Last edited by FFxStrife; 12-10-2012 at 07:25 PM.
DDFF: Cloud Strife || P4A: Akihiko Sanada || BB: Jin Kisaragi || GG: Chipp Zanuff
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Thank you Strife for the feedback! It will really help (and actually already helps) me!
Silly me tried to predict when DanneD would use Blizagga and tried to "lock" him. Didn't work and got myself what I deserved >.>0:26 - Assist punish with Aerith is a very strict thing, it works on long moves like Zidane's Shift Break and Lightning's Thunder Fall if you punish on startup. Although, it won't work well against some other moves like you experienced there. :3
Indeed. It was a miss click >.> But somehow "luck?!" was on my side on that on.0:33 - Miss click Braver amirite? Surprised DanneD took the damage here. :3
I mostly used auto-recovery 'cuz of me not being too good at using atack/controled recovery. But I'll listen to ur advice and try to use that from now on.0:52 - Equip Controlled Recovery (and Attack recovery too) so you can actually move after being hit or counter attack if your opponent want to make pressure on your "wake up". Recovering in place can be bad sometime
Indeed I guess I just wanted him into using his assist lock so that on my next atack he wouldn't escape. But again...silly me didn't think I can be punished pretty easy >.>1:08 - That was right and yet wrong. Wrong because using Omnislash V5 when your opponent has assist bar can be pretty bad for you. Most of the times, you'll get punished like this.
Right because DanneD had two bars. You can only punish this move when doing Assist Change LV1 (except when you're Sephiroth, Squall etc) and some people will use LV2 instead because that way, they won't get locked. In the end, you can vanish their assist bar without being punished.
Although, smart players, like Danny there, will lock themselves even with 2 bars only to punish you. That's either good or bad. If you're confident enough or your foe's BVR isn't that high to do a decent punish, go for it and try to make them pay while they're locked.
Dodge punishing...or at least...an attempt....and a little gamble as well >.> (again I got what I deserved)1:16 - Dafuq? Watch those Bravers. It's even worst with Tifa, since she can double dodge and avoid dodge punishes. That's what your trying to do right? Or you're just gambling? lol
I guess I to tend to rely a lil too much on luck (or gamble too much like you said). And rogger that! Will try that advice!2:18 - You may know this, but you were very lucky here heh? :3
Double Cut + Aerith + Chase doesn't work without a wall to hold your opponents fall. Tifa barely touched the wall there and fortunately you could connect Seal Evil.
I suggest you do the following: Double Cut >> Second Hit >> Wait a little time >> Aerith >> Chase as she appears >> HP Attack.
It won't fail this way. Me and Zel practiced that a lot and it's possible to freeze your opponent after they dodge the HP. That way, you can go for a safe Meteorain/Braver or Omnislash V5. You can also use BVR attacks on the chase if your foe is near a wall for more damage/EX (Like DanneD did on 3:37).
Also, when you connect Seal Evil, do some dash to build extra bar before you finish the combo. You just did a Omnislash V5 there.
Ughh...you don't even know how many times it hapened to me >.>2:57 - I know that feel bro. lol
Once your foe falls, he can fuck your inputs since he's going backwards and flippin' and shit.
Well...I noticed if I assist-esc fast enough I can punish that move of Tifa's.But...only If I do it right ofc >.>3:12 - 47F on startup. Really hard to punish something after Assist Change LV1 using this. It's possible against some moves though.
Don't really use that since I want to "lock" the opponent myself not automatically <:33:57 - Finishing Touch is a much safer link than Omnislash V5. It's safe to use in most MUs even if your opponent has assist bars.
Although, Tifa is not one of them. Rolling Blaze can punish fairly well if Cloud has Assist Lock On equipped (He will spin in the same place and then she can charge and get to him).
Most Clouds (including mine) has this ability and you can see that DanneD was ready for it. He even started the Rollin'.
The fact that you wasn't using that ability gave you the victory. :33silly I know
Got it. Will be carefull with double cut from now on.Now one last thing to know. Becareful with Double Cut pokes. Sure, it's his strongest tool in the air and you can block right away. The sad part is the movement, Cloud will slightly move forward and has high chances to receive incoming attacks (you were hit sometimes because of that there). It's hard to explain but one good example is the Cloud-Lightning match up. You CAN'T throw DCs somewhere near her or you'll get Thunder in the face.
Last edited by Shiro; 12-11-2012 at 06:50 AM.
DDFF: Zidane Tribal || BB: Ragna the Bloodedge
There are people in this world who prefer solitude. But there is no one who can withstand it.
Well, Cloud look in my eyes waaaay more solid in a way then your other "main" chars
"Protecting a man's pride... is a woman's duty"-
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Hey I've watched some of your replays and I think you're very good ( better than me either lol)
I got a little question...Could you tell me who done that "Orders Sanctuary" Mod that you're using? With the blue water and the light gold stone things? I've requested that in the suggestions thread 2 month ago but nobody replied to it and that mod looks exactly like the request I made... I want to know who done that Mod 'cause I have the feeling he used my idea without even giving me a thanks or something like that...
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Mains: Lightning, Tifa
Subs: Yuna, Terra, Ultimecia
Training: Prishe
I agree with pretty much everything strife said but I'll say it again, use double cut ground since its a safe and quick. And stop the random hp attacks, his only one that's safe against most assists is ground meteorain.
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