Team Wars Feedback & Suggestion Thread

[ChaosMuramasa]

Understandable, but the ones wanting to avoid group-based teamwork clearly don't see a problem with it, and may have good reason for doing so (as Garuga said earlier). And I don't think it's fair to force them to change just because you want them to... although I do agree with your reasoning.

Of course they don't see a problem with it, they enjoy their 1v1s.

As for forcing change, I would agree with you if it was just me, but a lot of people want this change to go through. It's like having one friend telling you to stop smoking as opposed to ten friends telling you to stop smoking. Really weird analogy, I know, but hopefully it gets my point across; public opinion matters.

But clearly, those causing the overabundance of 1v1s are fine with it - there are two sides to this. If everyone wanted 1v1s gone, then they wouldn't be happening anyway; but some people want them to continue, which is why they still happen very often.

There's always two sides to a coin, yes. Obviously, we can't just outright remove them (not that it was ever my intention to try and make that happen) but leaving them be as it stands causes an imbalance. As it's been stated several times, you can get more points for your team via 1v1 than a group war. That in it iself...terribly wrong. An environment based around teamwork should not reward more for 1v1 than group play.

But, that's all going to be changed, anyway. The scoring system is getting a revamp next season anyway, so...I'd like to think that it should solve a majority of problems.

I was about to say that if people didn't like 1v1s they could just refuse them, but then I remembered that people are now punished for rejecting too many challenges, so that idea's out the window.

Instead of outright refusing, the person receiving the challenge could just request a 2v2. If the challenger declines the request for any reason and then the person receiving the challenge then denies the challenge because the request couldn't be fulfilled, then I see no reason to punish the person receiving the challenge for declining it.

So, guys, if you don't want a 1v1, just request for a 2v2. That will actually force people to do some planning for dates and times, something that (as I've stated multiple times already) really isn't that difficult.

[Kurayami]

Poppin in to make a point here. Team Wars is not about the 1v1 aspect of the game, if you wanted a 1v1 aspect, you could just play 1v1s. By joining a team you make a commitment to that team, not following through with that and doing 1v1s for points, and availability is breaking the commitment down. We are Team Wars for a reason.

And by playing 1v1s, you are representing the team. But I agree, more teamwork would be good - but limiting 1v1's availability isn't the way to do it, in my eyes. Just make the prospect of 2v2s more attractive, so 1v1s can be played if need be.

To address the point of refusing 1v1s. What would happen if EVERYONE was doing 1v1s, and only one team wanted to do 3v3s? Think about it, if 1v1s are worth more, why am I going to go do a 3v3? I'm going to decline it and keep doing my 1v1s. Having 1v1s more suitable in a team enviornment than teamwork gimps the system because you no longer are in a team enviornment.

That's why I said you should make 1v1s less rewarding, but not less available; so 1v1s earn less, but can still be played if necessary, which is often the case as Garuga pointed out earlier.

For that matter, rejecting challenges isn't why people are punished. Not showing UP to challenges you have accepted are, unless khell implimented this punishment without reminding me.

Yeah, it's cancelling challenges that gets you punished - I was thinking of the 'you have to play at least one challenge' thing. In that case, why not just simply reject all 1v1 challenges if you dislike them so much? Encourage other teams to go 2v2 against you.

As for forcing change, I would agree with you if it was just me, but a lot of people want this change to go through. It's like having one friend telling you to stop smoking as opposed to ten friends telling you to stop smoking. Really weird analogy, I know, but hopefully it gets my point across; public opinion matters.

I believe it's more a case of those who prefer 1v1s are less vocal... but I see your reasoning. Well, I was just putting my thoughts forward. Take them as you will.

[Shuruka]

That's basically what i've said, A points limit to them, everyone still had gone on about "lets cut them down to 2!"

[Khell]

1v1
I've had it pointed out by several people prior to this thread that 1v1 has appeared to be problematic; not to mention as RDF mentioned, a quick and easy way to earn yourself some points for the team. This is not to say that I plan on abolishing 1v1s, as I feel that the system I plan on implementing will actually encourage teams to not play 1v1s unless necessary, since you're essentially giving away potential points by doing so.

Repeatedly Challenging Teams
This is another concern that I felt needs to be addressed, and the idea that Shuru brought up (docking points from the maximum you can earn) is something that he provided to me as a suggestion about 10-12 days ago. As such, I plan on implementing it and probably adding additional sections to it so that you can't just loop the same 5 teams over again. I would like to encourage teams to fight EVERYONE, not just the same teams over and over again.

As it falls into both categories simultaneously, I'd also like to state the following: 1v1s will -not- help you in the tournament which is based on 3v3 combat. Fighting the same team will -not- help you which is based on fighting the opponent in front of you, who many will find are NOT the teams that they are used to fighting on a weekly basis.

Just restating this mainly for the bold parts since it seems that what I had to say regarding it fell on deaf ears.

Right now, 1v1s are unlimited, quick, painless (relatively), and good for points. It makes sense that naturally teams who have players willing to do them will take advantage of this (even if it's not their intent). But I stand firm on the fact that falling into a rhythm with them will not only impact your team in the next season, but will also impact you in the end of season tournaments which are 3v3 at their base.

[Dart]

It seems history is repeating itself AGAIN.

Lol.

These 1v1 FEP could be abused so badly if I chose to do so. They either need to stay with lower point totals, or get rid of them completely. I say drop em for good.

[Stevie]

I'm liking the idea of limited the points that the 1v1 gives, I think something like that is needed and is a good idea