Cherub's probably one of the top 3 Ultimecia players.
But some people (me not included) can't play well early in the morning. But to be honest, I can only feel just so bad about making Cherub wait. He knew what he was getting into having joined as a European player. He can only expect so much sympathy.
<Cherub> I am kinda annoyed by kewls behavior to be honest. We had the chance to do it earlier at a suitable ti
<Cherub> time but he refused *
<@LonelyGaruga> Why the hell did kewl refuse to play at a decent time?
<Cherub> Dunno but he wanted casuals instead of the tourny matches kappa
As for this, I told Cherub my reasons for this, and you can hardly argue that I did something truly wrong, as I finished my matches before the deadline. Cherub was obviously pretty distressed, but only after getting knocked out of the tournament. He was totally fine before this, only visibly getting annoyed after the match was finished. Which is understandable, but like I said, to a certain extent.
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This is of course, assuming that you know for a fact that he was actually as sleepy as you both claim, and it sufficiently affected his playing. There's no way to know that for sure, so I don't really take it seriously, nor will I ever.Originally Posted by LonelyGaruga
That being said, this hasn't changed my view on the matchup all that significantly.
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While excuses are awesome and all, you really shouldn't have that detract from Kewldewd's performance. For all I know if Kewl lost he might as well blame it on his mom's horrendous cooking lol.
Regarding softban on Lance? Nah. Pretty pointless banning individual moves especially given the fact that Lance is basically a major match up changer. She is either totally gone or she is totally playable with all moves intact.
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1) That comparison is about as apt as comparing a person suffering from diarrhea during their match to someone who had gas from drinking a can of soda. The "excuses" are completely different in terms of legitimacy and how distracting they are.
2) Beating a half asleep player is about as much of an accomplishment as beating scrubs that have no idea what they're doing, and has little relevance to matchups.
3) Didn't you say Ultimecia would be A tier without Lance in the Tier List thread? I wasn't aware A tier was unplayable.
I can't wait to see how badly Cherub lost on account of how sleepy he was just to get you to shut up already. No offense to Cherub at all, given that he's a great player, but even the best players can't play well when they're tired (which, by the way, is what I had had in mind with "sufficiently skilled", but that was poorly phrased and conveyed my meaning about as well as if I had just stared at someone and expected them to read my mind), and you treating it like it's proof that Ultimecia isn't broken is just...ugh.
@Kewldude: Asking for casuals when you know he's staying up for the sake of playing with you was kind of a dick move, regardless. You made him stay up for no reason other than to get casuals, which weren't necessary. It looks more like you purposely made him wait for his matches just to get him tired enough to stand a chance of winning if you ask me, and I doubt I'm the only one that thinks that, given you had, I repeat, no reason to play casuals with a guy that was staying up to 4 in the morning just to finish the matches hw needed to play with you.
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Didn't you just say that Cherub probably wasn't that skilled with Ultimecia to count? Also, I think you're making a bad comparison yourself, as perhaps my mom's terrible cooking led her to undercook meat which would lead to me feeling sick. I can come up with excuses all I want, but in the end, it doesn't matter. I don't make excuses, I just realize that I lost.
You don't know for a fact how...sleepy Cherub actually was, and how it would actually affect his performance. As far as I could tell, he did all he could. I don't remember seeing blatant derps. You can't just take what people say (especially people who were noticeably embarrassed) for it's face value. Especially when no one could prove otherwise.
Also, I'm fairly sure Tw1g was being facetious when he made a reference to my mom's (actually excellent) cooking. Though that might be obvious o3o
Indeed it was. And in fact, that's exactly what I told Cherub. But regardless, he knew the timezone risks when he joined. Guess he didn't plan that far ahead. And as I told Cherub, my aim for casuals was meant for Dante, so he could help me with Sephiroth vs Ultimecia.
And also, I think he was referring to Thursday, when I asked for casuals, not Friday. And no, I didn't intentionally make him stay up until 4 just to "stand a chance of winning". Do you really think that little ole me could think of such a dastardly complex and devious plan? I think not. Not only that, but I didn't know it was 4 AM where Cherub lived. And even if I did, not my fault. I got my matches done on time. Just when people from Europe join a tournament meant fr Americans...well, timezone issues can ensue.
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I... fail to see what part is "pointless". Isn't changing her matchups exactly why banning Lance would be a valid idea?
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No, I didn't. Thanks for assuming what I meant by sufficiently skilled.
For the record, it was "sufficiently skilled" as in "sufficiently skilled to avoid the occasional loss in a favorable matchup". Everyone knows what this is. You've got this reasonably great player, not a top 3 contender but definitely knows what he's doing, and shows consistent skill with his character, but he just up and chokes or loses a favorable matchup or some other thing that just shouldn't have happened. And why is that? Because he wasn't sufficiently skilled to remove things like chance, or distractions, or other such factors out of the equation. In other words, he wasn't good enough to do the impossible, which is hardly something to be ashamed of.
Of course, as usual, some people like to assume the most offensive interpretation of everything I leave ambiguous because they're too lazy to do otherwise and actually apply logic when reading. Thanks a lot guys. You know who you are.
Tl;dr: Shit happened, not his fault.
I'm using the knowledge I have, not pulling BS out of my hindquarters. Instead of pointing out what isn't known, try using what is, or add to that knowledge, please.
I don't know, but the information he provided me from talking to him was enough to give me an educated idea. And I'm sure it'll be obvious to everyone once the replays are up.
I'm not surprised you would say that. No offense, you're just pretty bad at putting yourself in other player's shoes and understanding their mindset, as you've shown on a number of other discussions, so it's pretty normal that you wouldn't notice these things.
Cherub doesn't seem so much "embarrassed" as ticked off at how late you prolonged the matches, and given that it's your fault for making them take so long to actually be finished thanks to wanting casuals, I think it's justified. FYI, this logic is pretty fallacious considering it's assuming a lack of knowledge that is actually in our possession, namely the fact that, if Cherub is actually lying, it would be pretty noticeable, again, in the replays, and he really has nothing to gain if that's the case, and his trustworthiness in the community to lose, as it would show that he's exactly the kind of person described here. Something I honestly doubt, given that he has, again, nothing to gain if he's lying. Since you seem to think that he'd lie anyway, it kinda shows how you think and work, but that's not my business ^_^
Or he's just a nice guy that decided to put up with your BS.
So you're just completely ignorant of the situation that you caused. What a surprise. With a little bit of thoughtfulness this could have been avoided, but that's asking for too much.
You seem to be caught up on finishing matches on time. You don't seem to realize that it's common courtesy to try to get them done at a reasonable time for your opponent too. It's not all about you. Your opponent has to be taken into account to, and your failure to do so just indicates that you're not a very considerate opponent to play against. I mean, seriously, you couldn't even ask and plan your times ahead better? What the hell? Why are you prioritizing casuals when you don't even know what time it is for your opponent? How is it "not your fault" for deliberately being ignorant of your opponent's time? You're just setting yourself up to have as many excuses as you can use just to avoid getting flamed. Do your part as a participant and plan your matches better. I would have sent a complaint to a TO if I had to put up with this situation, but if I was in Cherub's shoes I wouldn't have agreed to casuals in the first place so that isn't relevant.
Seriously. Step up and try to plan better. I'm writing this more because it's disappointing that you put your opponent through a situation like that, and Cherub had to deal with it. Please don't let that happen again. Nobody should be making their opponent stay up stupidly late just to play their matches when they can be done sooner.
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Replying to that Great Wall of Text is rather cumbersome, so I'll keep this short: Cherub joined an NA tournament while living in Europe, I completed my matches on time, which is all that matters. If he wants to join a North American tournament, he better have a good grip on his times of rest.
Also, he admitted to me that the loss was shameful, so it doesn't make sense to claim if he did not without his actually saying it.
And it IS his fault. At least partly.
Cherub, if we ever meet in a tournament again, I'll try to get these matches done earlier to avoid a massive shitstorm. And to take your feelings into consideration
damn spread some more reputation before giving to Garuga >.<
Well...I was a participant of the tourney as well so I think I have the right to say what I think as well...might be wrong what I'm about to say but it's what I think nonetheless...
kewl...Garuga is right...why would you ask for casuals when you could've done that earlier? or the day before the round? It just makes it look like that was the only way you could win against Cherub. And...I think Cherub said the truth...he doesn't have anything to gain to lie and I know the guy pretty well...in fact I know him alot...and he isn't the kind of guy to start lying just 'cuz he lost...I participated as well in the tournament and had to face some tough cookies as well...but I never made them wait till last moment...I've done the matches as early as posible...and trained for the upcoming matches while the oponent wasn't yet on.
And please don't give the BS "hey...it's an US tourny...accept the facts that timezones differs and the rest" ... We are given a deadline...exactly for us to plan a suitable day/hour/minute etc 'cuz we have different timezones...
It's not very sportsmanship to make ur opponent wait for you 'cuz you were too lazy to train till the last moment...
Well...I said mywallpiece of mind. Hope you'll consider planning your matches more sooner from now on...since your next oponent is DanneD and he's european as well.I wouldn't want to see you make him wait like you did w/ Cherub
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I don't even...damn spread some more reputation before giving to Garuga >.<
Well...I was a participant of the tourney as well so I think I have the right to say what I think as well...might be wrong what I'm about to say but it's what I think nonetheless...
kewl...Garuga is right...why would you ask for casuals when you could've done that earlier? or the day before the round? It just makes it look like that was the only way you could win against Cherub. And...I think Cherub said the truth...he doesn't have anything to gain to lie and I know the guy pretty well...in fact I know him alot...and he isn't the kind of guy to start lying just 'cuz he lost...I participated as well in the tournament and had to face some tough cookies as well...but I never made them wait till last moment...I've done the matches as early as posible...and trained for the upcoming matches while the oponent wasn't yet on.
And please don't give the BS "hey...it's an US tourny...accept the facts that timezones differs and the rest" ... We are given a deadline...exactly for us to plan a suitable day/hour/minute etc 'cuz we have different timezones...
It's not very sportsmanship to make ur opponent wait for you 'cuz you were too lazy to train till the last moment...
Well...I said mywallpiece of mind. Hope you'll consider planning your matches more sooner from now on...since your next oponent is DanneD and he's european as well.I wouldn't want to see you make him wait like you did w/ Cherub
Were you talking to him in query for an hour after the match? NO. Do you truly know a person just by what they say or do on the internet? NO. I'd be inclined to agree with you until yesterday. You didn't talk to him like I did most likely. you didn't see exactly what was said in that query, At least exactly after the matches happened. Also, even if I DID stall just to make him tired (really, are you fucking serious?) who gives a shit. I got my matches done before the deadline, and that's all that matters competitively. It's a fucking video game, get over it. Losing happens. Excuses happen. Whatever.
And HE joined this tournament that was obviously moreso mean for people in NORTH AMERICA. This is one of the most pointless shitstorms ever to happen on Dissidia Forums. Like, seriously, this shit needs to stop right here. It's fucking stupid as hell.
And AGAIN, I asked for casuals to help me TRAIN to fight Cherub, who I was fighting an incredibly tough matchup against.
Just let this argument die everyone. Let this incredibly stupid argument end, and take comfort in the fact that I'll take more consideration into this sort of thing, especially knowing more about Cherub's timezone. I feel a bit bad about it. Cherub is a really nice guy, but this can only go so far.
This is an unrepentantly selfish way to look at things, but you seem to get the idea based on your last portion of your post, so whatever. Extend that kind of goal to every other EU player and it'll be fine.
To explain why I say it's selfish, however...EU doesn't really have a choice if they want to play in most tournaments. It's the NA players that are the ones that have the most available time, making the EU players schedule around us is just arrogant. They already have finished a good part of their day when most of NA is waking up. It's far easier for the NA players to schedule around the EU players because they have more time, rather than vice versa. Making an EU player stay up to ungodlike hours just to play in the major of a game they like that has no such equivalents in the EU region is simply unfathomably selfish. It's up to the NA players, who, by virtue of their time zones, have more time to plan around things, to prioritize the EU players, not the other way around. It's not just sportsmanship, it's not just being polite, it's plain good old common sense.
Um...he showed you he was embarrassed by his loss, and he showed me he was angry at it. I didn't say he wasn't embarrassed, I said he seemed more angry to me about it. Not that it makes a difference, because it's still a matchup that is so difficult to lose that you practically have to be handicapped by outside circumstances to lose, exactly as Cherub was.
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