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    Default Motifs, Themes, and anything else really deep (Spoilers)

     
    I was thinking in the shower...

    Tidus doesn't refer to "tide" or water, the name refers to the Sun to couple with Yuna's, which refers to the Moon. (I still call him Tide-us).


    In the beginning of FFX, Tidus is the really naive, optimistic character that talks about celebrating with Yuna after the pilgrimage, unaware that she is supposed to die. The game reflects his optimism and cheerfulness with bright sunny scenes, from Besaid's shore to Kilika's lush forest. Everything is just generally bright. Yuna comes off as a very reserved, composed, almost awkward character. While she is friendly, she has accepted that she will die.


    After beating Seymour on Mt. Gagazet, Tidus finds out that he is a dream and that if Sin is defeated (Yu Yevon too), then he will disappear. The game takes on a lot more seriousness here (adding on to the seriousness from the failure of Operation Mi'ihen along with Yevon's corruption). Interestingly enough, as the party approaches the Zanarkand Ruins, the sun begins to set. To reflect this, Tidus becomes less lively and instead is more contemplative (the "listen to my story" narrative shows this). In battle, there are no cheers after he slays fiends. The party no longer taunts after each battle. The song "A Fleeting Dream" constantly plays through battle and map-wandering.

    Another point: at the campfire before they enter Zanarkand, Tidus's hurried storytelling by the sunset is sort of a metaphor for his waning cheerfulness. When Yuna stops him, that's almost the last time she shows sadness in the pilgrimage.


    After defeating Yunalesca, Yuna becomes very determined to defeat Sin. Now that she no longer has to die, she begins talking about going to Tidus's Zanarkand. Tidus laughs and plays along just like Yuna did, but keeps his imminent disappearance to himself. The characters have completely switched positions here; Yuna is exactly where Tidus was when he first came to Spira. She has no idea Tidus will die and is almost naive in her determination to surpass all odds and defeat Sin. Tidus is also almost exactly where Yuna was in the beginning. When leaving Bahamut's fayth in Bevelle, Yuna calls him a poor liar, just like Auron called Yuna when the party arrives in Macalania.


    Lastly, when the party is on the airship right before Tidus disappears, I'm pretty sure the scene is like sunset. It could be a Farplane-esque setting, too.


    Looks like the writers really took the Sun/Moon Tidus/Yuna relationship as far as possible. Man I wish people still made games like this.

    I bet there's some connections to be drawn between Yuna/Braska and Tidus/Jecht, but I can't think of any right now.
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    I think you're looking into this way too much. Everyone knows about the Sun/Tidus reference.

    Man I wish people still made games like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraid View Post
    I think you're looking into this way too much. Everyone knows about the Sun/Tidus reference.



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    Haha I figured someone would say this.

    Oh this scene... You got me haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraid View Post
    I think you're looking into this way too much. Everyone knows about the Sun/Tidus reference.



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    Loving the top comment on the link.

    "This is how square enix laugh when somebody asks for FF VII remake" .

    It was just...funny lol :3
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    Quote Originally Posted by CommanderEpic View Post
    Haha I figured someone would say this.

    Oh this scene... You got me haha.
    It's not even really just that scene though. The video is meant to be a two way joke if you get what I mean?


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    Yeah yeah yeah I'm sure I sound ridiculous haha. I didn't think I was thinking too hard about this, I just wanted to, you know, spark some discussion on an old game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CommanderEpic View Post
    Yeah yeah yeah I'm sure I sound ridiculous haha. I didn't think I was thinking too hard about this, I just wanted to, you know, spark some discussion on an old game.
    Oh, I bet enough discussion will return once the remaster is out. At least, I hope so.

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    Good point. Hopefully this thread isn't voided before then
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