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    Very handy. Which other functions do you plan to add, exactly?
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    Uh, what people asked for, assuming I have the skill for it.

    The addition of a table that was weighted based on "raw" score was something I considered. For example, a matchup against Ultimecia's 198 would be worth more than one against Onion Knight's 150.

    I was thinking on multiplying a character's "points" for each match up by the character's score from the "normal" table over 150. So, currently, a character's match-up against Onion Knight would be taken at face value, while their points against Ultimecia are worth 32% more when calculating this "weighted" score.

    Weighted score wouldn't do anything, really, other than please statistic nerds like me.

    Anything anyone would like to see?
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    Very interesting... A weighted list would be nice to see, if only because I'm a knowledge whore.

    Just make sure to use the current list in the first post; Onion Knight has 153 points now.
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    its really cool to see tidus on top of the charts. looks like i picked the right character to train.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narolf View Post
    Shantotto's line is deemed to be irrelevant for the most part. She's no longer considered bottom tier ever since Level Up!, the tournament preceding Summer Wars wherein SolidSok placed third solely by playing as her. He sees her at the top of B if I recall correctly. Tournaments' data isn't used for this chart: only top players' inputs are, which means she'll only get higher whenever he, or anybody else, updates her numbers.
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    If I may share my opinion, I don't believe in tier lists. If you're already yelling at me for caring to go to a tier list page and typing this, then you may stop reading this now. I just think that any character can be the best if the player can apply the characters strongest points the best make up for the characters weak points the best. Thank you for your time.

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    I do in a way, as I got to admit, as a pretty low tier mainer 'Yuna' some matchup's are pretty dam hard for her (Prishe and tidus, they can pretty much stagger any of yuna's moves - Ixion's Bravery Move) butr at the same time you need to learn ways to turn that disadvantage into an advantage (Say prishe, catch her at the end of her move with heavenly strike) soooo matchup's don't help, but it does depend on the players skill at the end of the day


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    You should re-check the tier list. Looks like someone needs to hit the training grounds

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    Yuna isn't really low tier (B+). I had some pretty damn close matches with dart with her and I only picked her up a day beforehand. I may have learned her from fighting her so many times though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waywardwind911 View Post
    If I may share my opinion, I don't believe in tier lists. If you're already yelling at me for caring to go to a tier list page and typing this, then you may stop reading this now. I just think that any character can be the best if the player can apply the characters strongest points the best make up for the characters weak points the best. Thank you for your time.
    Some characters are inherently better than others. The tier list can change if someone shows that a character is better than we originally thought (solidsok with his shan shorty) but you won't be seeing Ultimecia drop to D tier and you won't be seeing Jecht go up to S tier, all jecht memes aside.



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    Quote Originally Posted by waywardwind911 View Post
    If I may share my opinion, I don't believe in tier lists. If you're already yelling at me for caring to go to a tier list page and typing this, then you may stop reading this now. I just think that any character can be the best if the player can apply the characters strongest points the best make up for the characters weak points the best. Thank you for your time.
    You're welcome to put as many disclaimers as you like for this, but people will refute your opinion unless you can accurately and succinctly prove that your opinion is valid. Any examples of players being able to overcome a character's weakness despite their position in a list that's fictitious to you, for example.

    I believe the facts point to the evidence of a clear divide existing and that no amount of player skill will be able to replace the inherent disadvantage of a character if both players are playing at the top of the top levels. As a general rule of thumb? Player skill amounts for more than tier list information. However, tier lists are also meant to assume that a character is being played as well as they could possibly be played.

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