SC-SC Legality issue

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

I understand that SC-SC-Oblivion is banned. I also understand that you can't use two of the same move in a combo or it's considered an infinite. What I don't get is this: SC-SC Full. I've seen people call foul(Or at least question it) over this one because it involves using SC twice. I honestly don't see the problem. It's just a move+finisher combo that honestly doesn't do as much damage as some bigger combos for other people. As for the 2 move rule thing, what about highbringer low to highbringer low continued. Does that strike you as ban worthy? It just seems like one of those situations that falls through the cracks of the ruleset and I would appreciate a definite answer.

[Haruhiist]

In my opinion, Sudden Cruelty to Oblivion is entirely legal and is very basic and easy to do, so why would anyone try Sudden Cruelty twice? But anyway, Highbringer Low and High are two seperate moves in a sense, and should be allowed because of that. Sudden Cruelty is the exact same move, and hence you can't quite compare it to Highbringer.

[Katsu]

SC-SC is banned cause your using the exact same move. Highbringer is ground based and aerial based.

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

I said Highbringer low to highbringer low, not highbringer low to highbringer high. And is it the exact same move if it continues after that move? I mean SC and SC Full have different properties.

[Shuruka]

I said Highbringer low to highbringer low, not highbringer low to highbringer high. And is it the exact same move if it continues after that move? I mean SC and SC Full have different properties.

SC - Oblivion does more damage with criticals and wall rush properties regardless then SC- SC full. wwhy bother doing it in the first place? you can also just wall rush the enemy and make another combo to it.
SC full doesnt wall rush not does it do that many hits compared to SC - oblivion

in the long run i also trust oblivion to keep the enemy below me, so i can snipe with hells gate or heavens light at opertune times, boyh of theese have godly tracking and so does oblivion

sephiroth is best ABOVE his opponants,

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Simple: SC-SC Full is better to get opponents into the air. Not to mention that SC too close to the ground, and your Oblivion may get blocked

[Shuruka]

Simple: SC-SC Full is better to get opponents into the air. Not to mention that SC too close to the ground, and your Oblivion may get blocked

it works better to just use heavens light on the ground anyways becuase of LANDING lag, besides, LANDING lag will most likely keep an oblivion from being blocked, but SC is just as predictable, it'd be blocked too, but sephiroth has shadow flare for a reason, to get opponants into the air. to toy with them from afar, its called zoning.

there isnt a serious reason to used SC - SC full with shadow flare equipped.

and even if you could, if you wanted an opponant in the air just use SC full right off instead, but once sephiroth gets someone in the air they wont get out so easily, so thats about the ONLY use for it, i personally havnt used SC full since i figured out reaper does more damage for the same affect :3

[ujhbn]

FYI, Reaper (full) damage = SC (full) damage
and they do much more damage than Oblivion.

[Shuruka]

FYI, Reaper (full) damage = SC (full) damage
and they do much more damage than Oblivion.

actually, you'd be surprised, with an attack/% build mix, i do about 500 with the last hit of Oblivion, which usually wall rushes or gets followed up with something else, and wall rush does 250, where as SC full doesnt do wwall rush damage, at all, so you add another 250 onto my oblivion it jumps over the damage that my reaper/SC does becuase that, before my 32 damage crits (this is all based off of full crits becuase thats all i get for any move basically) that Oblivion gets, i can go easily over 1000 damage with Oblivion, where as a full SC does about 900-950 for me.

There are much better oppertunities to use SC then oblivion, and much better opertunities to use Oblivion then SC. it all comes down to this, can you wall rush? if not SC may do more damage, but again, SC to oblivion is a much better choice simply due to wall rush, and the fact that people will frown at you.

[ujhbn]

actually, you'd be surprised, with an attack/% build mix, i do about 500 with the last hit of Oblivion, which usually wall rushes or gets followed up with something else, and wall rush does 250, where as SC full doesnt do wwall rush damage, at all, so you add another 250 onto my oblivion it jumps over the damage that my reaper/SC does becuase that, before my 32 damage crits (this is all based off of full crits becuase thats all i get for any move basically) that Oblivion gets, i can go easily over 1000 damage with Oblivion, where as a full SC does about 900-950 for me.

There are much better oppertunities to use SC then oblivion, and much better opertunities to use Oblivion then SC. it all comes down to this, can you wall rush? if not SC may do more damage, but again, SC to oblivion is a much better choice simply due to wall rush, and the fact that people will frown at you.

Oblivion
Physical, Melee Low
6,1*9,10 (25)
27F, ~160

Sudden Cruelty
Physical, Melee Low
3*8,4, 3,1*5,4 (40)
17F, ~170

The bold numbers are the damage multipliers.
Wall rush is just +half the damage of your last hit (unless you have +BRV wall rush dmg). So even with wall rush, Oblivion =30 , which is still 10 less than SC.

I suggest you do a test on the damage again and record the exact numbers.