Tidus in Duodecim

**axeeeeL** · 03-03-2011 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by D_k1d24

So the actual dodging on the move was nerfed?

the range of motion while dodging was changed, which is a pretty big nerf. the circular motion you can go into while using s&m really is not all that useful now. c&r will probably be tidus' new staple dodge move.

i'm guessing the reason square changed s&m was because they added c&r and wanted to make all of them unique. if they kept s&m the same, then c&r would be worthless.

**Dread** · 03-04-2011 06:15 AM

After some observations, here are my thoughts.

BRV attacks

+Hop Step has increased tracking.
+Sonic Buster has increased range, tracking has buffed and hits more on the initial hit, considering you use it in right in front of the opponent.
+Sphere shot staggers opponent on guard and hits more.
+Full Slide has also increased range, tracking has also buffed, and hits more on the initial hit just like Sonic Buster.
+Stick & Move gained vertical tracking.
+Cut & Run (ground and air) gained vertical tracking.
+Dart & Weave has increased range.
-Wither Shot does not allow chase anymore.
-Stick & Move can now be only moved sideways. Thus, it has decreased its horizontal range.

HP attacks

+Spiral Cut cuts through Magic BRV attacks and has increased speed execution. <3
+Jecht Shot has increased range.
+Energy Rain has faster execution and tracks better.
+Quick Hit can now Wall Rush from a farther distance.

Slice & Dice retains the same number of hits. It appears to be reduced due to its animation being shorter.

About Tidus' dodge moves, it appears that each one has now a specific use against each character's moves. Unlike in the first, Stick & Move can almost be used all-around because its direction could be freely controlled in four directions.

I'll post more if I find anything significant.

**Kite** · 03-04-2011 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by Haruhiist

It's more difficult to use for offensive purposes now, but that shouldn't be a big deal since it should rarely happen anyway. I'm not sure about dodge frames though.

No mang youre supposed to use it after every dodge for mindgamms!!!! Now all my Tidus mindgamms are dead mang

**Titanium Man** · 03-04-2011 02:08 PM

So what I'm hearing is that Tidus is still crap at what he's actually supposed to do. Ah, well, got a bunch of new people to use anyway.

**Zane** · 03-04-2011 07:52 PM

The full slide to hop step combo is gone.

The sonic buster button lock is gone.

With dodging now having less frames its easier for Tidus to dodge punishes now.

Slice & Dice now has the cool ending animation for the old JP Dissidia, so it looks cool now. In Dissidia he would just sit there, not anymore.

His job is a little easier I have to test how many frames he has on his dodge moves.

Energy Rain has more horizontal range this time.

So in short if you were good with Tidus life just got a lot easier for you.

Will post more info as I come across it or not if someone beats me to it, which works for me.

**axeeeeL** · 03-04-2011 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by Zane

So in short if you were good with Tidus life just got a lot easier for you.

not really. the loss of his full slide to hop step combo hurts his brave game a ton.

**Zane** · 03-04-2011 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by axeeeeL

not really. the loss of his full slide to hop step combo hurts his brave game a ton.

You use assist to make up for it, seriously dude, fullside into a wal (close to the ground assist (in my case Yuna's uses Shiva smacks them to the ground for a full sonic buster into the wall.

Thats more damage then full step ever was, not counting a fullslide into the wall+ hopstep did more damage then full step ever could.

Play around with assist and you'll forget all about those broken combos in Dissidia.

**ssjkiego** · 03-05-2011 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by Zane

You use assist to make up for it, seriously dude, fullside into a wal (close to the ground assist (in my case Yuna's uses Shiva smacks them to the ground for a full sonic buster into the wall.

Thats more damage then full step ever was, not counting a fullslide into the wall+ hopstep did more damage then full step ever could.

Play around with assist and you'll forget all about those broken combos in Dissidia.

This is true! Plus, link that Yuna assist with Spiral cut for an hp link.Tidus still feels like tidus to me other than...

...Dodge and throw SUX!!! Only side to side?!?!?!? Gross!!!

**Dread** · 03-05-2011 11:43 PM

DC combos may have been removed, but the assist system has been added which gives us more options to perform different types of combos and be creative on our own.

Both Jecht and Yuna are great partners with Tidus since their air Bravery attack ground rushes the opponent, giving us the chance to follow it up with Sonic Buster, Spiral Cut, and even Jecht Shot that can wall rush the opponent for additional damage. Yuna's Diamond Dust assist also leads to the teleport system so we can follow it up with Full Slide or another HP attack. If there aren't any wall near while performing Full Slide, you can also just perform the first two hits like you are about to perform its DC combo. Rather than DC comboing, call an assist instead, and so on.