Firion General Discussion

[UltimaMM]

Use this thread for general Firion gameplay questions and discussion or things that don't fit in other threads but don't warrant their own little thread.

Do not talk about assist selection, assist or EXR combos, equipment & accessories or matchups here. Please use the appropriate stickied threads in this section to keep discussion easier to find. ~Kayarine


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Firion was one of my favorite characters in the first game but the disadvantages on the ground really screwed him over.

He's really awesome now, Being able to change his combo followups is pretty co and ground dash is really useful. His lance followup is pretty amazing, can be used even if the first hit whiffs, has crazy absorb and guard staggers, it has small cooldown too. The punch followup wallrushes damn far and his bow followup has chase and is good for for gathering EX force. Straight Arrow is much faster now and crushes guard and his magic combo is good for mix up.

He's crazy with assists too, "Ground brave>Punch followup>assist>Reel Axe>Punch followup for wallrush, bow followup for chase or Double Trouble" is pretty good and can be linked from any of his ground brave attacks. Thunder/Swordblow>Ground assist>... is a pretty good combo too.

All that and I only played him at level 1. I can't wait to see Lord of Arms, Master of Arms and (the not so important any more) Shield Bash.

[Thiefcopy]

Yeah, it seems like he's gotten some much needed improvements. But has he achieved Bankai?

[Dakotaiscool]

I'd pay to see somebody hack their game to change anybody with an "Equipped Various Ultima Weapon" EX mode to "Bankai Achieved!"

[Slayer]

YES! Someone must do that and post the replay

[Kayarine]

After some quick random equipmentless battle against a lv 100 Yuna, here's a couple of things I noticed:

- It looks like it's possible to get a lot of Fires on the field. I'm not sure if it was because there was a couple of Fires reflected back at me, but at some point there was about 5 Fires onscreen.

- It seems the only possible followup after whiffing Reel Axe/Rope Knife/Lance Combo is the lance followup. Gotta press away from the opponent + O to activate it.

- Fire > Fire > Thunder + Straightarrow seems to be a nice pressure string. I don't know, though, it was just against the CPU and I still don't have many ideas of other things I can do.

- Rope Knife doesn't seem to track once it's out.

I want to play around with him more when I actually get some equipments. Getting broken by a single hit of a reflected Blizzard isn't very fun... XD

Edit: I realized that despite the fact I got a lv 100 Firion, I didn't mess around much with Weaponsmaster and Lord of Arms. :V Back to testing.

Edit 2: No, I didn't mess with assists yet. I was testing the Aerith assist.

[fal'Cie]

Rope Knife doesn't track anymore the worst thing is it can be blocked. Pity because that was one of my favourite attack to catch the block and dodge happy people off their guard and eat dem Double Trouble.

First thing to do right now would be to come up with something against the pesky mages and and the turtles.

[Grade-Zero]

Started trying him out, he feels pretty nice. Shield Bash seems to track better, the lightning part hasn't missed so far after fire or blizzard hit. Tidus's dodge moves feel like the perfect counter to Lord of Arms, but it's still a nice move, at the very least now he has a move with melee high priority on the ground. Also, it looks like aerial swordslash got a speed buff. It's spammable just like the ground version now.

[Crono]

Keep the posts coming guys, I can't do my testing till tomorrow. From what you guys posted it seems that there are no changes from Prologus... Rope Knife losing guard stagger kinda weakens his options but the sheer range, speed and having air tracking makeups for it if you know when and where to throw it (counter possibilities?) here's to to me hoping that it still breaks some attacks e.g. breaks Slashing Blow when both attacks clash.

[Grade-Zero]

I've been trying the Tifa assist with him considering she was very useful for Cloud, but it's a bit mixed. I try to use his lance followup to ground crash enemies, then use Tifa ground assist to combo into Weaponsmaster, sometimes it works, usually it doesn't. Another trick I tried was punch followup to wall crash enemies, then use Tifa air assist to combo into Straightarrow, which also only works sometimes. I'll probably try some other assists to see what works with him best.

[fal'Cie]

I have been trying Laguna as assist though and looks like it's working pretty well. All through the day I've been playing and I just Lance Followup -> Laguna assist (Ground) -> Straightarrow. Haven't missed yet but I reckon it won't work on all stages though.