Good Assists for Kain?

**kewldude475** · 08-11-2012 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Mirsa

Define "best".... Aerith combos generate more Ex so theoretically if someone was playing an Ex build, then aerith would be the way to go. There is a small window as to where Kuja can combo after an upward Chase attack from Lance Barrage, but the effort to learn an get the timing on it properly isn't worth giving up the Ex absorption you get from the chase initiation. Basically Aerith is "best" suited for a certain playstyle while Kuja is more damage oriented combos.

The best as in, works exceedingly well with every character in the game, and leaves many opportunities for combos. Also, unlike Aerith, Kuja is fast and has EX depletion.

**Dart** · 08-11-2012 02:05 PM

Both are great no doubt, Aerith adds to Kain's aerial game immensely by getting by two bar assist changes, and finishing out any of his brv links for ex from lance barrage up or down, crashing dive up or straight, celestial shooter straight or down, Aerith links with all of em. You then have the option to choose the best suited HP for the situation to get the most damage, wallrush, or use Gungnir to avoid being level 2 countered. Not to mention the crazy shit you can pull with cyclone combos. Kain can defend holy summoning like a boss with jump, so if your opponent is being stubborn in the air, you have a counter as well.

Originally Posted by kewldude475

Also, unlike Aerith, Kuja is fast and has EX depletion.

Since that totally excuses any use for Aerith... You talk as if Kain actually needs help depleting ex. Increase his weaknesses, not his strengths. How bout you actually play the character before you come on here talking all high and mighty like usual. I'm done here.

**kewldude475** · 08-11-2012 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Dart

Both are great no doubt, Aerith adds to Kain's aerial game immensely by getting by two bar assist changes, and finishing out any of his brv links for ex from lance barrage up or down, crashing dive up or straight, celestial shooter straight or down, Aerith link with all of em. You then have the option to choose the best suited HP for the situation to get the most damage, wallrush, or use Gungnir to avoid being level 2 countered. Not to mention the crazy shit you can pull with cyclone combos. Kain can defend holy summoning like a boss with jump, so if your opponent is being stubborn in the air, you have a counter as well.

Since that totally excuses any use for Aerith... You talk as if Kain actually needs help depleting ex. Increase his weaknesses, not his strengths. How bout you actually play the character before you come on here talking all high and mighty like usual. I'm done here.

Derp, because it's still a weakness whether you think he needs it or not. And yes, you are done here.

**Dart** · 08-11-2012 03:38 PM

The best wallrusher in the game's weakness is depletion, huh. News to me LOL. Your logic is flawless as always.

**LonelyGaruga** · 08-11-2012 04:34 PM

Using Aerith means you can run less assist depletion, meaning you have more room for EX depletion and damage accessories. Not to mention Dart's point, which is so obvious it hurts that you think Kain has poor depletion kewl...

**Myth3842** · 08-11-2012 07:50 PM

Too lazy to look but is their a good assist that makes good use of Kain's T. Dash?

**kewldude475** · 08-11-2012 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by LonelyGaruga

Using Aerith means you can run less assist depletion, meaning you have more room for EX depletion and damage accessories. Not to mention Dart's point, which is so obvious it hurts that you think Kain has poor depletion kewl...

Nope. Never said/thought that. But anyways.

And just for clarification purposes, I was speaking in a general sense.

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Originally Posted by Dart

The best wallrusher in the game's weakness is depletion, huh. News to me LOL. Your logic is flawless as always.

Funny, I don't remember saying that, but OKAY THEN.

And I thought you said you were done here. o3o

**LonelyGaruga** · 08-11-2012 10:00 PM

Aerith having no EX depletion is only a weakness if the character using her as an assist needs it. Having too much EX depletion is unnecessary if your resources and tools can be better spent on other things, as is the case here. General senses are completely irrelevant, even if accurate, so bringing that up just looks like an excuse to make yourself look better.

Now, as usual, your words carry implications that might as well go unsaid. You say Kuja > Aerith for Kain because of the depletion, among other reasons? Why is the depletion relevant? Taking my above paragraph into account, you are essentially saying that Kain has poor depletion capabilities, which you've stated is not the case. But the depletion is still useful. Think about that. Why would depletion from an assist be useful on a character that already has good depletion capabilities by himself? It isn't.

@ Myth: No assists can use it mid combo effectively, but you can use it for a variety of attack > assist > combo off assist type combos, one obvious one being Spiral Blow > WR > Kuja Assist > Triangle Dash toward opponent > Rising Drive when in range

**kewldude475** · 08-11-2012 10:11 PM

Or a weakness to those who want to assist punish. It's not about the quantity of assist depletion, but just the depletion. Hell, even getting less depletion that you normally would is still a weakness. Not to mention lack of any power behind Seal Evil.