"Uboar!": Emperor Match-up Discussion Thread

[TKG09]

FFS, Exdeath can just cancel his almagest with Turn Guard and DC before DC hits... this is so stupid.


But it's not like Exdeath would be using Almagest anyway. He can just stay away and use Maelstrom, and Empy can't do shit about it. No real point in approaching Empy at all

[compLexity]

FFS, Exdeath can just cancel his almagest with Turn Guard and DC before DC hits... this is so stupid.


But it's not like Exdeath would be using Almagest anyway. He can just stay away and use Maelstrom, and Empy can't do shit about it. No real point in approaching Empy at all

You can't cancel Counter Almagest afaik, of course we're not talking of this one. But true Exdeath really has no reason to approach Empy for the only reason that Maelstrom executes much MUCH faster than Starfall.

[>Shia<]

I'm going to have to agree with TKG on this one. The Emp really has no option for this fight. Startfall might as well not even be used. Flare is just a move waiting to be countered, Even DC doesn't do very much since Omniguard exists. Almagest can simply be cancled into something else. all of the emps ground moves are basically useless since Exdeath pretty much stays in the air 99.8% of the time. I just don't see the Emp being able to do anything in this match up other than possibly assist countering, which against Exdeath is very hard to do.

[PridePaci]

if you find a way to put Exdeath on the ground, you can use TC, tha is unblockable from guard...
maybe an assist HP when he is using melstrom?

[Kurayami]

if you find a way to put Exdeath on the ground, you can use TC, tha is unblockable from guard...
maybe an assist HP when he is using melstrom?

if you find a way to put Exdeath on the ground, you can use TC, tha is unblockable from guard...

if you find a way to put Exdeath on the ground, you can use TC

find a way to put Exdeath on the ground

Good luck with that.

[ChaosMuramasa]

if you find a way to put Exdeath on the ground, you can use TC, tha is unblockable from guard...
maybe an assist HP when he is using melstrom?

A good Exdeath would never touch ground. Don't even bother trying to make that happen.

Also, using Assist HP attacks on Exdeath is probably a bad idea. You'd just get yourself Assist Locked and then you would hit the counter-HP. He can still cancel into any block during Maelstrom (with the exception of a small time frame before it actually starts) so it'd be practically futile to really try that.

[>Shia<]

I think it's safe to say the Exdeath matchup is nigh impossible. 0-10 or 1-9 Exdeath's favor.

What's the Seph match up?

I figure since the Emp can shut down SF spam with Starfall and us DC to keep Seph at bay the match should be fairly even. I'm guessing 4-6 Sephiroth's favor.

[Cloud of Darkness]

A good Exdeath would never touch ground. Don't even bother trying to make that happen.

Also, using Assist HP attacks on Exdeath is probably a bad idea. You'd just get yourself Assist Locked and then you would hit the counter-HP. He can still cancel into any block during Maelstrom (with the exception of a small time frame before it actually starts) so it'd be practically futile to really try that.

I personally find that small time frame easy to punish, just call your assist as dust forms at your feet. If you call it too late, you'll probably get hit by the first BRV hits of it, and have your assist locked, but in all honesty, once you get that frame down, it doesn't happen as much.
Also, about HP assist attacks on Exdeath : Zidane's Free Energy seems effective against him for all characters, but with Emperor's assist building abilities, this can serve as a viable option, no? (I haven't fought many good EDs, so take my opinion lightly, I need more testing)

[LonelyGaruga]

I personally find that small time frame easy to punish, just call your assist as dust forms at your feet. If you call it too late, you'll probably get hit by the first BRV hits of it, and have your assist locked, but in all honesty, once you get that frame down, it doesn't happen as much.

This isn't much of an option, seeing how any Exdeath worth their salt is going to maintain 2 assist bars at all times, making assist punishment virtually useless as an offensive tool.

[Cloud of Darkness]

Then I don't know.

Avoid the Matchup then =P