Tidus build discussion

[kewldude475]

Once again, Tidus' HPs are unsafe on Assist Change and Recovery Attack. I'll even give the timings for when to punish each.

Jecht Shot: Change after the first hit, dash/fall towards Tidus, and either dodge the 3rd hit and counter with a fast attack or HP
Energy Rain: Change at startup to punish the long startup+cooldown
Slice&Dice: Same as the above, or change around the 3rd hit, dodge, and counter with a fast attack
Quick Hit: Change at startup
Spiral Cut: Change at startup

As you can see all of Tidus' HPs can be countered on AST Change. Tidus would need an Assist on hand to try and counter their punish or Break them so the counter's damage is weakened. There are also specific Recovery Attacks to account for. I can't recommend a chipping playstyle on Tidus because of these weaknesses and the fact it doesn't complement his style.

Somewhat skeptical on Jecht Shot and Slice and Dice, but more so Jecht Show. Especially Slice and Dice, and your advice when to actually change. Got any proof of this?

[LonelyGaruga]

Somewhat skeptical on Jecht Shot and Slice and Dice, but more so Jecht Show. Especially Slice and Dice, and your advice when to actually change. Got any proof of this?

I've done the former and simply haven't tried to do the latter. Why don't you try it yourself, since Hollowed, who is certainly more knowledgeable about Tidus than you are, says it's possible, instead of requesting proof simply because you can't do it yourself? I mean, it's pretty obvious that someone like Lightning can do it with Thunder you know. It's not that unbelievable that there might be other methods too.

[kewldude475]

I've done the former and simply haven't tried to do the latter. Why don't you try it yourself, since Hollowed, who is certainly more knowledgeable about Tidus than you are, says it's possible, instead of requesting proof simply because you can't do it yourself? I mean, it's pretty obvious that someone like Lightning can do it with Thunder you know. It's not that unbelievable that there might be other methods too.

Actually, I was hoping to play hollowed, and see his tactics.

I would prefer actually playing with him, whatever is easier Garugy.

[X-Striker]

~Incoming wall of text~
To be honest what Hollowed said seems pretty reasonable from my perspective. Slice&Dice has amazing tracking that follows the opponent even after the assist change. That strength can also be a weakness. The tracking puts Tidus around the same plane as the opponent towards the end of the animation. With proper timing and dodging Tidus would be vunerable toward the end of the animation which can lead to a counter by any character with a quick strike(Lightning's a good example) or character's with moves that track well. As for Jecht Shot I have some questions for Hollowed(not because I don't believe it but I would like some things clarified). This is a good thing for players to test. It will really make me rethink how I approach fights.

[rikki558]

It does seem like it's possible to counter pretty much all of Tidus' HP attacks now that I think about it. If only he had an attack like Free Energy x3

[kewldude475]

~Incoming wall of text~
To be honest what Hollowed said seems pretty reasonable from my perspective. Slice&Dice has amazing tracking that follows the opponent even after the assist change. That strength can also be a weakness. The tracking puts Tidus around the same plane as the opponent towards the end of the animation. With proper timing and dodging Tidus would be vunerable toward the end of the animation which can lead to a counter by any character with a quick strike(Lightning's a good example) or character's with moves that track well. As for Jecht Shot I have some questions for Hollowed(not because I don't believe it but I would like some things clarified). This is a good thing for players to test. It will really make me rethink how I approach fights.

If Tidus hits the assist, he can dodge cancel immediately. Ergo, no punish. Maybe OK or Zidane can get lucky? lol.

[rikki558]

Let's just all agree that Tidus is simply, a boss.

[X-Striker]

Let's just all agree that Tidus is simply, a boss.

This I can agree on.

If Tidus hits the assist, he can dodge cancel immediately. Ergo, no punish. Maybe OK or Zidane can get lucky? lol.

*shrugs* Just thought I'd throw it out there. I figure it was better than just knocking the idea. At least it inspired some discussion/testing and hopefully gave a Setzer some help. However, I believe I'll think twice before trying to give advice to anyone in the future. I want to help but I need more skill I guess.
edit: This is a bit off topic now isn't it? We should get back to discussing builds

[ChaosMuramasa]

Drop Wither Shot for Full Slide, and drop CP somewhere for a ground dodge attack + Quick Hit link and either Sonic Buster or Sphere Shot.

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Also, with Hop Step into Aerith chase combos, you'll probably get EX Mode at least twice a fight (assuming your enemy is providing you a decent battle). That being said, Pre EX Mode and Pre EX Revenge may or may not hinder you, depending on whether or not you actually plan on saving your EX Gauge for that long. If you don't, I would recommend HP Under 50% (Self) and maybe another After 30 Seconds.

[Setzer Gabbiani]

I'm not really good using Full Slide, I know that a lot of people use it, but I feel more comfortable with Wither Shot.

With regard to Sphere Shot, I find it useless if I'm using Aerith as my assist, but I find it really useful if I'm using another assist.